Family:
Children:
- Cynric King Of West Saxons Death: 560
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Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. II: Die Ausserdeutschen Staaten Die Regierenden Hauser der Ubrigen Staaten Europas. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1984. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES II #[0-9]*].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- in 450s [Ref: Ashe KArthur p198]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
- parents:
- King Arthur (#14977) & dau of Vortigern (#14978) [Ref: Ashe KArthur
p198],
- father:
- Elera [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p15]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- [Ref: ES II #77, Paget HRHCharles p3, Weis AR7 #1]
Sources with Inaccurate death Information
- date:
- 516 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p15]
Sources with Information about marriage to unknown
- child:
- [Ref: ES II #77, Paget HRHCharles p3, Weis AR7 #1, Yorke
AngloSaxonKings p134]
Research Notes:
King of the West Saxons 519-534 [Ref: Weis AR7 #1]
King #1 [Ref: Yorke AngloSaxonKings p134]
Saxon ealdorman who founded a settlement on the coast of Hapshire, England, in
495 [Ref: Weis AR7 #1]
495: This year came two leaders into Britain, Cerdic and Cynric, his son,
with five ships. [Ref: Weis AR7 #1]
519: This year Cerdic and Cynric undertook the government of the West Saxons;
the same year they fought with the Britons at a place called Charford. From
that day have reigned the children of the West Saxon kings. [Ref: Weis AR7 #1]
530: conquered the Isle of Wright [Ref: Weis AR7 #1]
534: This year died Cerdic, the first king of the West Saxons. Cynric his
son succeeded to the government, and reigned afterwards twenty-six winters.
[Ref: Weis AR7 #1]
Actually, there's doubt about the historicity of Cerdic. For example, Lucien
Musset says in *The Germanic Invasions* (1975, translation of *Les Invasions:
Les Vagues Germaniques*, 1965), p 231-2:
"A good deal of our information about the origins of England, whether it
comes from Britain itself or from elsewhere, has a markedly epic or
mythological flavour. ..... the attitude of historians at the beginning of
this century was categorical: it was all a hopeless jumble in which crass
ignorance and the most extravagant flights of fancy vied for supremacy. The
great French medievalist Ferdinand Lot was the supreme exponent of this
critical attitude. ..... Since then historians have been cautiously reacting
against Lot's hypercritical attitude. ..... Some scholars, like T. C.
Lethbridge and C. F. C. Hawkes, would ... restore to these heroic figures
[viz, Vortigern, Hengist and Horsa] the historical reality of which others
have deprived them. Cerdic has been less fortunate: his Anglian genealogy, his
Celtic name, and his band of Jutes supposedly participating in the foundation
of a Saxon kingdom, have earned him universal distrust, especially as
archseology has shown that the alleged area of his landing, near Southampton,
remained in British hands for at least fifty years after the date given for
his arrival."
Sir Charles Oman wrote in *A History of England before the Norman Conquest*
(5th edn 1924 -- 1st was 1910), p 225: "It is safer to regard the existence of
any Cerdic as founder of the West Saxon realm with deep suspicion." And on p
227, Oman refers to "Ceawlin, the first historical king of the West Saxons".
[Ref: Gordon Fisher SGM 9/9/1995]
the important article by K. Sisam, "Anglo-Saxon royal genealogies", in
Proceedings of the British Academy, vol. 39 (1953), pp. 287-346 (required
reading for those who really want to understand some of the processes by which
early genealogies were faked), which was recently reprinted in the collection
"British Academy Papers on Anglo-Saxon England" (Oxford University Press,
1990), shows that Cerdic's genealogy was, in fact, pretty much "made out of
whole cloth". Cerdic's genealogy is interesting because enough manuscripts
survive to show some of the stages of the falsification process. What follows
is my attempt to outline Sisam's reconstruction of this process (but read his
article for a better explanation).
It started with the pedigree of the kings of Bernicia, which begins Woden,
Baeldaeg, Brand, Benoc, Aloc (Alusa in some manuscripts), etc., followed by
several more generations until you get to Ida (6th century), king of Bernicia.
One early version of the West Saxon genealogy goes Woden, Baeldaeg, Brand,
Giwis, Aluca, Cerdic, and the one given by Asser is very similar: Uoden,
Beldeg, Brond, Geuuis, Elesa, Cerdic. Thus, in the early stages of the fake
West Saxon pedigree, the first five generations of the Bernician pedigree are
used, except that Benoc is replace by Giwis, and then Aluca (i.e. Aloc) is
made the father of Cerdic. This pretty much kills the idea that the name Elesa
is related to the similar Welsh name, for the name Elesa is in fact the name
Aloc, "borrowed" from the royal genealogy of Bernicia, and Aloc, if he ever
existed at all, would have been a many-generations-removed ancestor of Ida,
and would have lived well before the Angles had any Welsh influence. The name
"Gewisse" was the early name for the West Saxons, and the name Giwis which was
used to replace Benoc was almost certainly invented to explain the name of the
tribe, much like "Brutus" was invented explain the name Britain.
What about the other names in the later version of the pedigree. I suppose
you could argue that Freawine and Wig were added to the middle of the pedigree
because of some vague tradition, but it is much more likely that the person
faking the pedigree was imitating the pedigree of the kings of Mercia, who
were at that time claiming to be descended from Offa and Wermund, legendary
kings of the Angles. Adding Freawine and Wig to the genealogy gave the West
Saxons a similar claim.
There are two names left. Where did they come from? Well, the guy who did
the final stage of the faking was a poet, and wanted his generations to form
nice alliterative pairs. For this, he needed a name beginning with "E" and
another beginning with "F", so he made them up, making sure that the number of
syllables was right so that the meter of the poem would not be destroyed.
By the way, the above comments apply only to the West Saxon royal
genealogies. Some of the genealogies of the other kingdoms of Anglo-Saxon
England are earlier in origin, but should still be examined with healthy
skepticism. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 2/9/1996]
This early period is immensely obscure, and there are no surviving
contemporary sources for Cerdic, Creoda, and Cynric, whose existence is
uncertain. The best recent account of the early West Saxon sources is that of
David Dumville, "The West Saxon Genealogical Regnal List and the Chronology of
Early Wessex", in the journal "Peritia" vol. 4 (1985), pp. 21-66 (which has
been reprinted in Dumville's book "Britons and Anglo-Saxons in the Early
Middle Ages", if you can't find the journal article).
The bottom line is that the earliest traceable version of the story (based
on the early king lists) has Cerdic reigning from 538 to 554, with Cynric
reigning 554-581, Ceawlin 581-588, Ceol 588-594, Ceolwulf 594-611, Cynegils
611-642, etc. All of the early dates for West Saxon kings which appear in the
Anglo-Saxon Chronicle seem to be inventions of later writier, who apparently
wanted to push back the arrival to an earlier period. You should keep in mind
that even the above dates do not reflect contemporary evidence, and it is not
necessarily the case that any historical existence should be ascribed to
Cerdic and Cynric. On the other hand, if they did exist, then the above dates
are much more likely to be approximately correct than the dates given in the
Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. [Ref: Stewart Baldwin SGM 8/9/1998]
Kenneth Sisam, "Anglo-Saxon royal genealogies", _Proceedings of the British
Academy_, vol. 39 (1953), pp. 287-346.
Sisam proposes a clever and plausible theory that part of the genealogy of
Ida of Bernicia was accidentally transferred to Cerdic, who immediately
follows in the chronicles, and then was expanded and polished to fit
alliterative verse until reaching the final form we have. (It is just a
theory, and though I view it favorably, it lacks definite evidence. It is not
right for those who cling to doubts about Egbert's descent from Cerdic to say
that Sisam has disproven Cerdic's alleged ancestry). [Ref: Luke Stevens SGM
4/5/1999]
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