Corrections to Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry (5 volume set)
These are discrepancies between RoyalAncestry and other reliable sources.
Usually the other source is Complete Peerage (as updated by volume XIV, further updated by Chris Phillip's "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage" at http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml, and further updated by the Usenet newsgroup soc.genealogy.medieval discussions.
Another reliable source is Keats-Rohan Domesday People, and Domesday Descendants, as updated by Rosie Bevan's "Corrections aux ?Domesday People? et ?Domesday Descendants?" at https://fmg.ac/fr/projets/domesday-corrections-fr.
Another reliable source is Neil Thompson's _Ancestry of Charles II_, which appeared serially in "The Genealogist" volume 2 through volume 33 (between 1981 and 2012), and was published as a book in 2012.
Usually "corrections" to these sources are posted to the newsgroup/mailing list soc.genealogy.medieval/GEN-MEDIEVAL and discussed, leading to consensus on the revised information. No such posting/discussion was seen for any of these (if there was and I missed it, please send me a pointer to the posting).
RoyalAnc v1p131 Arderne 11 Maud de Camville. "… She married before 1309 Richard de Vernon, Knt, of Haddon and Baslow, Derbyshire, Pitchcott, Buckinghamshire, and Little Appleby, Leicestershire, son and heir apparent of Richard de Vernon, Knt, of Haddon and Baslow, Derbyshire, Harlaston, Staffordshire, and Pitchcott, Buckinghamshire, probably by Isabel, daughter of William de Gernon, Knt."
Isabel was a sister of Andrew, Earl of Carlisle (Cox, Vernon chantries and benefactions to monasteries, Autumn 2006, p141), who is identified in CP III p31 as son of Sir Michael de HARCLA.
Isabella De Harcla d/o Sir Michael De HARCLA & d. After 1329 m. 1278 Sir Richard De VERNON
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father: probably Sir William de GERNON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p131]
RoyalAnc v1p133 Arderne 12 Isabel de Vernon "… who married before 16 March 1339 Richard de Stafford, K.B. … He [Richard] married (2nd) by settlement dated 6 Nov 1371 Maud de Stafford, widow of Edmund de Vernon (died 1370), and daughter of John de Stafford, Knt, … by his 1st wife Elizabeth, daughter of Philip de Somerville, Knt. … Maud, Lady Stafford died testate 30 March 1400."
Maud, second wife of Richard de Stafford, was identified by Cox (Vernon chantries and benefactions to monasteries, Autumn 2006) p141, as daughter of Sir Rhys Hen Ap Gruffudd and Joan Somerville. Douglas Richardson, in a posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 9/9/2020, confirms this identification of Maud. Maud Somerville, wife of Edmund Vernon, died before 1 Mar 1380 (Richardson's GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 9/9/2020), and not 30 Mar 1400 which corrects RoyalAnc v1p133.
Maud Griffith d/o Sir Rhys Hen Ap Gruffudd & Joan SOMERVILLE d. 30 Mar 1400 m. Abt 6 Nov 1371 Sir Richard De STAFFORD
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parents: Sir John STAFFORD & Elizabeth De SOMERVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p133]
Sir John De STAFFORD & Elizabeth De SOMERVILLE m. 1
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child: Maud STAFFORD wife of Sir Richard STAFFORD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p133]
Maud De STAFFORD d/o Sir John De STAFFORD & Elizabeth De SOMERVILLE b. Abt 1342 d. Before 1 Mar 1380 m. 1 Edmund De VERNON
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date: 30 Mar 1400 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p133]
RoyalAnc v1p144 Artois 10 Robert II, Count of Artois, "… married (by treaty dated 13 June 1259) Amice de Courtenay, daughter and heiress of Pierre de Courtenay, seigneur of Conches in Normandy, Mehun-sur-Yevre and Selles in Berry, etc, by Perenelle (or Petronelle), daughter and heiress of Gaucher II de Joigny, signeur of Chateaurenard, Seneschal of Niverans."
CP VII p540 note h gives parents of Amice de Courtenay: "Simon [de Montfort] and Alice [de Montmorency] had four sons, and daughters Pernel and Amice. … Of the daughters of Simon and Alice, (1) Pernel m., 1stly, Piers de Courtenay, who was dead before 1259, and by whom she had a daughter Amice…" No discussion in GEN-MEDIEVAL about a correction to this text in CP.
Amice De COURTENAY d/o Pierre De COURTENAY, Lord Of Conches & Pernel De MONTFORT [ES:III-57] b. Abt 1250 d. 1275 Rome u. St Peters, Rome m. 13 Jun 1262 Paris Robert II Count Of Artois
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mother: Perenelle de Joigny [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p144]
Pierre De COURTENAY, Lord Of Conches & Petronille Of Joigny, Dame De Chateau-Renaud m. Jun 1249
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child: Amice wife of Robert II Count of Artois [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p144]
RoyalAnc v1p167 Aske 14 Elizabeth BIGOD "… married John ASKE, Knt, of Aughton, Yorkshire, son and heir of Richard Aske, Esq, of Aughton, Yorkshire, by Margaret, daughter of Robert Ughtred, Knt, of Kexby, Yorkshire."
Margaret is named in CP XII/2 p162 note (i), as sister of Robert 4th Lord Ughtred (not daughter of 4th Lord), so daughter of Thomas Ughtred and Margaret Godard.
Margaret UGHTRED d/o Thomas De UGHTRED, Lord Ughtred & Margaret GODARD d. Abt 20 Nov 1466 m. Richard ASKE
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father: Sir Robert UGHTRED of Kexby, Yorkshire [Ref: Richardson PA p107]
father: Sir Robert UGHTRED of Kexby, Yorkshire [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p167]
Sir Robert De UGHTRED, Lord Ughtred & Joan ASKE m.
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child: Margaret UGHTRED [Ref: Richardson PA p107]
child: Margaret UGHTRED [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p167]
RoyalAnc v1p174 Astley 13 Thomas ASTLEY, "Esq, of Ellenhall, Staffordshire … died before 13 Jan 1432, when his widow Joan sued Robert HARCOURT for dower."
Eric Acheson, Gentry Community: Leicesterhire in the fifteenth century, 1993, page 216 says Thomas ASTLEY, husband of Joan GRESLEY (Henry VI's nurse), died between May and Jul 1437. He was elected Knight of the Shire for Leicestershire in Nov 1436, and Acheson identifies several records of Thomas in May 1437 (while still living) and July 1437 (recently died).
Thomas ASTLEY s/o Sir Thomas ASTLEY & Elizabeth HARCOURT b. Abt 1385 d. Before Jul 1437 m. Before 18 Jan 1423/4 Jane GREASLY
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date: before 13 Jan 1432 [Ref: Richardson PA p46]
date: before 13 Jan 1432 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p174]
RoyalAnc v1p239 Barclay 10 Janet FLEMING "… married William de SETON, Knt, of Seton, son of Alexander de Seton."
Neil Thompson's Ancestry of Charles II in The Genealogist, v12p84 and v23p76 give the parents of William de SETON as Alan de WINTOUN and Margaret SETON, daughter of Alexander SETON. The marriage of Alan de WINTOUN and Margaret SETON also appears in CP IV p509.
Sir William SETON s/o Alan De WINTOUN & Margaret SETON b. Abt 1350 d. Before 4 Mar 1409/10 u. Cordelere (Franciscan) Friars, Haddington m. 2 Janet FLEMING
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father: Alexander de SETON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p239]
RoyalAnc v1p241 Barclay 13 George GORDON (or SETON) "… married (2nd) before 10 March 1459/60 Annabelle STEWART … They had one daughter, Isabel (wife of William Hay, Earl of Erroll). … He married (3rd) after 12 May 1465, … Elizabeth HAY, daughter of William Hay, Knt, 1st Earl of Erroll, … They had four sons … and six daughters, Janet (wife of Alexander Lindsey, Master of Crawford), …"
George's daughter Janet was by his second wife, Annabelle STEWART, not by third wife Elizabeth HAY. CP VI p100 and SP IV p530 show this.CP VI p100, entry for Patrick Grey, 3rd Lord Grey, "m. between Feb 1491/2 and Feb 1492/3, Janet, widow of Alexander LINDSAY, Master of Crawford, styled Lord Lindsay, and 2nd da of George (GORDON), 2nd Earl of Huntley [S], by his 2nd wife, Annabel STEWART, 2nd da of James I." No discussion found on GEN-MEDIEVAL to correct this.
Janet GORDON d/o Sir George GORDON, Earl Of Huntly & Annabella STEWART b. 2 d. Before Feb 1558/9 m. Before 12 Jun 1480 Alexander LINDSEY, Master Of Crawford m2. Abt Feb 1492/3 Patrick GRAY, Lord Gray m3. Before 1507/8 Patrick BUTTER m4. Before Nov 1535 James HALKERSTON
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parents: George GORDON & Elizabeth HAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p241]
Sir George GORDON, Earl Of Huntly & Elizabeth HAY m. Abt 12 May 1466
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child: Janet GORDON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p241]
RoyalAnc v1p252 Bardolf 12 Thomas BARDOLF "… He married AGNES ___, said to be daughter of William de Grandison, Knt, 1st Lord Grandison."
Agnes wife of Thomas Bardolf (CP I p418 as corrected by XIV p64) "he m. Agnes, perhaps a grandson[bad correction??? maybe should say "a Grandison"](a). He d. 15 Dec 1329" Note(a) revised to say (at end) "seems unlikely to have been da of William Seigneur of Grandison by Blanche of Savoy, as suggested previously. See for example, [ES XI #154]" (but ES XI #154 says nothing about William and wife Blanche of Savoy, and Weis AR7 #257 still says WIlliam & Blanche and cites CP I 418). However, William Grandison, 1st Lord Grandison, had a daughter Agnes, who married John de Northwode (CP IX p756, CP VI p68 (with corr in XIV p348)). It seems very unlikely that there was a second daughter named Agnes, or that Agnes married both John de Northwode (before 1307) and Thomas Bardolf (certainly before 1313). Leaving her as "unknown parentage" seems best.
Agnes De GRANDSON d/o William De GRANDSON, Seigneur De Grandson & Blanche De SAVOIE d. 11 Dec 1357 Ruskington, Co Lincoln m. Sir Thomas BARDOLF, Lord Bardolf
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father: William de Grandison (or Graunson) 1st Lord Grandison [Ref: Richardson PA p56]
father: William de Grandison (or Graunson) 1st Lord Grandison [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p252]
Sir William De GRANDISON, Lord Grandison & Sibilla TREGOZE m. Abt 1285
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child: Agnes wife of Lord Bardolf [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p252]
RoyalAnc v1p302 Beauchamp 13 Richard BEAUCHAMP, K.G., K.B., 13th Earl of Warwick "… Children of Richard Beauchamp K.G. by Isabel le Despenser: Henry (or Harry) Beauchamp, Knt, 14th Earl of Warwick … Child of Henry Beauchamp, Knt, by Cecily Neville: Anne BEAUCHAMP … died without issue 3 June 1449."
Her death date is given as "3 Jan 1448/9" in CP I p28 and CP II p428 (with correction in CP XIV p125), and CP XII/2 p384. Her death date is (incorrectly) given as "3 Jun 1449" in CP IV p282, with "For fuller particulars see Warwick, Earldom of" which has the 3 Jan 1448/9 date.
Anne BEAUCHAMP, Countess Of Warwick d/o Henry BEAUCHAMP, Duke Of Warwick & Cecily NEVILLE [CP:II-428, CP:IV-282, CP:XII/2-384] b. Abt 13 Feb 1443/4 Cardiff d. 3 Jan 1448/9 Ewelme, Oxon u. Reading Abbey
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date: 3 Jun 1449 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p302]
RoyalAnc v1p313 Beaumont 10 John de BEAUMONT "… He married Katherine de EVERINGHAM, alleged daughter of Adam de Everingham, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham, of Laxton, Nottinghamshire, by Joan, daughter of John d'Eiville, Knt [see Everingham 9 for her ancestry]."
CP II p61 says John Beaumont m. Catherine dau and heir of Thomas Everingham, of Laxton, Notts. CP II p262 William Botreaux m. Elizabeth, dau of John Beaumont and Katherine dau of Thomas Everingham. CP XIV adds that she (Elizabeth) was living 20 Jul 1415, and no corrections regarding Katherine or Thomas.
Adam Everingham, 2nd Lord Everingham, held Laxton, Notts, like Thomas Everingham, father of Katherine did. How did Laxton get to Thomas??? Adam Lord Everingham had three sons (none named Thomas) and three daughters (none named Katherine), and one son (Reginald) survived his father. Reginald's only son died as a child; was Thomas the heir? Very little seems known, lots needing further research, but nothing supports a correction to CP.
Catherine EVERINGHAM d/o Thomas EVERINGHAM & d. Abt 1 Feb 1426/7 m. John BEAUMONT, K.G., Lord Beaumont
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson PA p288]
parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson PA p85]
parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p313]
Adam De EVERINGHAM, Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE m. Before 16 May 1332
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child: (alleged to be) Catherine EVERINGHAM wife of John BEAUMONT [Ref: Richardson PA p288]
child: (alleged to be) Catherine EVERINGHAM wife of John BEAUMONT [Ref: Richardson PA p85]
child: (alleged to be) Catherine EVERINGHAM wife of John BEAUMONT [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p313]
RoyalAnc v1p317 Beaumont 13 Henry BEAUMONT "… married Eleanor SUTTON, … Eleanor died before 11 Jan 1503."
Eleanor SUTTON died abt 1513, as stated in RoyalAnc v5p390 (along with many other sources).
Eleanor SUTTON d/o Sir John VI SUTTON, K.G., Lord Dudley & Elizabeth BERKELEY [AR:81A-37, AR:221-37] d. Abt 1513 m. Before 1471 Sir Henry BEAUMONT m2. After 16 Nov 1471 George STANLEY
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date: before 11 Jan 1503 [Ref: Richardson PA p87]
date: before 11 Jan 1503 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p317]
RoyalAnc v1p324 Bergavenny 16 George NEVILLE, K.G., K.B., Lord Bergavenny "… He married (2nd) before 5 Sept 1513 Margaret BRENT, daughter of John Brent, Gent., of Charing, Kent".
CP I p33 identified Margaret as daughter of William BRENT, of Charing, Kent. Corrections in CP XIV p7 to CP I p33 added the identification of Margaret's mother, as "Anne or Amy, daughter and coheir of William ROSMODERES of Cornwall." Margaret's father was correctly identified in Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry p75.
Margaret BRENT d/o William BRENT & Anne ROSMODERES d. After 3 Aug 1516 m. Before 5 Sep 1513 George NEVILLE, K.G., Lord Abergavenny
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father: John BRENT, Gent, of Charing, Kent [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p324]
RoyalAnc v1p337 Berkeley 10 James BERKELEY "… He married (4th) by settlement dated 25 July 1457 Joan TALBOT, daughter of John TALBOT, K.G., 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, 7th Lord Talbot, by his 2nd wife Margaret, daughter of Richard BEAUCHAMP, K.G., K.B., Earl of Warwick, Lord Despenser and Lisle [see TALBOT 14 for her ancestry]".
CP II p132 identifies Joan as daughter of John TALBOT & Maud NEVILLE (XIV p87 adds that Maud was elder daughter and heir of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival). Brad Verity 9/22/2004 on GEN-MEDIEVAL questions whether she was the daughter of Maud Neville or John's second wife Margaret Beauchamp, but draws no conclusions. RoyalAnc v1p337 and v5p122 and v5p125 makes her daughter of Margaret Beauchamp, but no justification for the CP correction.
Joan TALBOT d/o Sir John TALBOT, K.G., Earl Of Shrewsbury & Maude De NEVILLE, Baroness Furnivall m. Abt 25 Jul 1457 Sir James BERKELEY, Lord Berkeley m2. Before 26 May 1474 Edmund HUNGERFORD
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mother: Margaret BEAUCHAMP [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p337]
Sir John TALBOT, K.G., Earl Of Shrewsbury & Margaret BEAUCHAMP m. 6 Sep 1425 Warwick Castle
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child: Joan [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p337]
RoyalAnc v1p387 Bletsoe 19 Oliver SAINT JOHN "… He married before 8 Feb 1542/3 Agnes FISHER, daughter and heiress of John Fisher, Knt, of Clifton, Bedfordshire, by Anne, daughter of John Mordaunt, Lord Mordaunt."
Agnes's parents are given in CP XI p334 "He m. 1stly, before 8 Feb 1542/3 (g) Agnes (then aged 22), da and h of Sir John FISHER, s. and h. ap. (d.v.p.) of Sir Michael FISHER (d.1549), of Clifton, &c, Beds, by Margaret, da. and coh. Of Sir Henry FROWICKE.(h)" This information was quoted by Douglas RIchardson in his GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 1/7/2012
Agnes FISHER d/o Sir John FISHER & Margaret FROWICKE b. Abt 1527 d. After 1565 m. Before 8 Feb 1542/3 Oliver St JOHN, Lord St John of Bletso
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parents: John FISHER & Anne MORDAUNT [Ref: Richardson MCA p95]
parents: John FISHER & Anne MORDAUNT [Ref: Richardson PA p115]
parents: John FISHER & Anne MORDAUNT [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p387]
Sir John FISHER & Anne MORDAUNT m.
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child: Agnes wife of Oliver St John [Ref: Richardson MCA p95]
child: Agnes wife of Oliver St John [Ref: Richardson PA p115]
child: Agnes wife of Oliver St John [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p387]
RoyalAnc v1p434 Bonville 11 William BONVILLE, K.G., of Chewton and Sock Dennis, Somerset "… He married (2nd) before 9 October 1427 Elizabeth COURTENAY, widow of John Harrington, Knt, 4th Lord Harrington (died 11 Feb 1417/8), and daughter of Edward Courtenay, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, by Maud, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt".
Maud was daughter of Thomas Camoys, 3rd Lord Camoys, and Elizabeth Louches. So says CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98), CP IV p325, and CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368). Also says Roskell HoP v2p284 (entry for Sir William Bonville). Also Faris PA2 p37. Also Richardson PA p127 and p240.
But then there is Douglas Richardson's GEN-MEDIEVAL posting on 12/23/2006, which raises questions about Maud's parentage, but offers no solutions, and led to no discussion. This was hardly a proposed correction to CP. So no changes.
Maud CAMOYS d/o Thomas CAMOYS, K.G., Lord Camoys & Elizabeth LOUCHES m. Before 1382/3 Edward COURTENAY, Earl Of Devon
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father: John CAMOYS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p434]
Sir John De COMOYS & Elizabeth Le LATIMER m. Before 1351
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child: Maud CAMOYS wife of Edward COURTENAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p434]
RoyalAnc v1p465 Boulogne 2 Eustache II aux Grenous, Count of Boulogne, Count of Lens "… He married (2nd) in 1057 [Saint] Ida of Verdun, daughter of Godfrey I the Bearded, Count of Verdun, Duke of Upper Lorraine, Duke of Lower Lorraine, by his 1st wife, Doda. … She died 13 Aug 1113."
Ida died 13 Apr 1113, as confirmed by Peter Stewart on GEN-MEDIEVAL 6/22/2005, citing Acta sanctorum.
Ida Of Lorraine d/o Godfrey IV The Bearded Duke Of Lower Lorraine & Doda/Ida [ES:VI-127] b. Abt 1040 d. 13 Apr 1113 m. Dec 1057 Cambrai Eustace II Count Of Boulogne
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date: 13 Aug 1113 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p465]
RoyalAnc v1p479 Bourbon 12 Pierre I Duke of Bourbon, Count of Clermont and la Marche "… He married 25 Jan 1337/8 Isabelle of Valois, daughter of Charles of France, Knt, Count of Valois, Chartres, Alencon, and Anjou, by his 3rd wife, Mahaut, daughter of Guy III de Chatillon, Count of Saint-Pol. … His widow, Isabelle, … died 26 Jul 1383."
Neil Thompson's Ancestry of Charles II The Genealogist v10p80 shows her death date as 26 Jul 1385.
Isabel Of Valois d/o Charles Count Of Valois And Anjou & Maud De CHATILLON [ES:II-22] b. Abt 1313 d. 26 Jul 1385 Paris u. Church of the Friars Minors, Paris m. 25 Jan 1336/7 Peter I Duke Of Bourbon
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date: 26 Jul 1383 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p479]
RoyalAnc v1p502 Brabant 6 Henry II, Duke of Lorraine and Brabant, "son and heir, born 1207"
Birthdate of "*(1207)" appears in ES I #96 (which is not a good source to cite). Moriarty Plantagenet Ancestry p154 says 1189, and p167 says 1187. Paget HRHCharles p70&72 say abt 1189.
Henry II The Conqueror Duke Of Brabant s/o Henry I The Warrior Duke Of Brabant & Maud Of Boulogne [ES:I-96, AR:155-27] b. 1189 d. 1 Feb 1247/8 Lowen u. Villers m. 9 Feb 1207 Marie Of Swabia m2. Abt 1240 Sophie Of Hessen
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date: 1207 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p502]
RoyalAnc v1p547 Brittany 7 Alix (or Alicia, Aaliz, Aelis, Aelidis) de THOUARS, Duchess of Brittany, Countess of Richmond "… She married March 1212/3 Pierre de BRAINE, Chev, Duke of Brittany, Earl of Richmond, … He married (2nd) before August 1235 Marguerite de MONTAIGU, Lady of Montagy, la Garnache-en-Poitou, … daughter and heiress of Maurice, seigneur of Montaigu, by his wife Elvis de la Garnache."
Parents of Margaret de MONTAIGU are given in CP X p804 as Maurice de MONTAIGU and Chaboce (parentage unknown).
Margaret De MONTAGU d/o Maurice De MONTAGU, Lord Montagu & Chaboce b. Abt 1188 d. 27 Nov 1241 m. Before 1203 Hugh De THOUARS, Vicomte Of Thouars m2. Abt Jan 1234/5 Pierre De DREUX, Count Of Brittany
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mother: Elvie de la Garnache [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p547]
Maurice De MONTAGU, Lord Montagu & Chaboce m.
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names: Maurice & Elvis de La Garnache [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p547]
RoyalAnc v1p588 Brus 5 Isabel of HUNTINGDON "… married Robert de BRUS, Knt, Lord of Annandale in Scotland, … died before 23 Jan 1225/6"
Death date of Robert de BRUS is given in CP II p358 and SP II p430 as 1245.
Robert De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale s/o William De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale & Christina [ES:II-92] b. 1 d. 1245 u. Saltre Abbey, Stilton m. Isabella Of Huntingdon
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date: before 23 Jan 1225/6 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p588]
date: before 23 Jan 1225/6 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p589]
RoyalAnc v1p595 Brus 6 Robert De BRUS, known as the Competitor, or the Claimant "… Children of Isabel de Clare, by Robert de Brus, Knt: … iv. Isabel de BRUS, marrried John FITZ MARMADUKE, Knt … Children of Isabel de Brus, by John Fitz Marmaduke, Knt: a. Richard FITZ MARMADUKE, Knt, … His widow, Eleanor, married (as his 2nd wife) Robert de UMFREVILLE, Knt, Earl of Angus, … died testate 12 Apr 1325"
death date 30 Mar 1325 given in Scoots Peerage I p168 (with corrections from IX p11). CP gives Mar 1325. CP I p149(d) notes that the Obituary of Newminster, where it says he died "secunds idus Apr" but this is a mistake, for the escheator seized his lands into the King's hand on 30 Mar.
Robert De UMFREVILLE, Earl Of Angus s/o Gilbert De UMFREVILLE, Earl Of Angus & Elizabeth COMYN [CP:I-149, AR:121D-31, AR:224-31, MC:108-5] b. Abt 1277 d. 30 Mar 1325 u. Newminster Abbey, Northumberland m. Abt 2 Sep 1303 Lucy De KYME m2. Before 1324 Eleanor De MONTFICHET
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date: 12 Apr 1325 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p595]
RoyalAnc v1p602 Brus 7 Robert de BRUS "… Children of Robert de Brus, Knt, by Marjory (or Margaret) of Carrick: … viii Maud de BRUS … He [Hugh of Ross] married (2nd) some time before 24 Nov 1329 Margaret de GRAHAM, said to be daughter of David de Graham, Knt, of Old Montrose."
While David GRAHAM is identified as her father in CP I p311 (with corr in XIV p47), John Ravilious published an article in _The Scottish Genealogist_ in 2017 to correct this. Page 50 identifies Margaret as a daughter of Sir John Graham, lord of Abercorn, and sister of Agnes (Graham) Douglas. See Ravilious, John, Queen Euphemia and her ancestry, TSG LXIV(2), Jun 2017, 49-52
Margaret GRAHAM d/o John GRAHAM & Isabella m. Before 24 Nov 1329 Sir Hugh De ROSS, Earl Of Ross m2. Abt 13 Apr 1341 John De BARCLAY
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father: David GRAHAM of Montrose [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p602]
Sir David GRAHAM & (unk-wife) m.
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child: Margaret GRAHAM wife of Hugh Earl of Ross [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p602]
RoyalAnc v1p604 Brus 7 Robert de BRUS "… Children of Robert de Brus, Knt, by Marjory (or Margaret) of Carrick: … ix Mary de BRUS … married (2nd) in 1316 Alexander FRASER, Knt, … They had two sons, John and William, Knt."
John FRASER was the son of Alexander FRASER by his first wife, daughter of Sir Reynold de CHEYNE. This was pointed out by John Ravilious in GEN-MEDIEVAL on 1/7/2010.
John FRASER s/o Sir Alexander FRASER, Lord Great Chamberlain Of Scotla & (Unk) Le CHEYNE b. 5 m.
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mother: Mary BRUS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604]
Sir Alexander FRASER, Lord Great Chamberlain Of Scotla & Mary De BRUS m. 1316
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child: John FRASER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604]
RoyalAnc v1p605 Brus 8 Robert de BRUS "… born in Scotland, probably in Turnberry Castle in Carrick, 11 July 1274."
Neil Thompson's Ancestry of Charles I The Genealogist v24p110 also says "probably at Turnberry Castle". However, CP II p360 and CP III p56 both state that he was born at Writtle, Essex, as does SP I p7, William Addams Reitwiesner's article on Joan, and Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry p171.
Robert De BRUS, King Of Scots s/o Sir Robert De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, Lord Of Annand & Margaret Of Carrick, Countess Of Carrick [CP:II-360, CP:III-56, ES:II-92, AR:252-30] b. 11 Jul 1274 Writtle, Essex d. 7 Jun 1329 Cardross, Scotland u. Dunfermline m. m2. m3. Abt 1295 Isabel Of Mar m4. 1302 Elizabeth De BURG
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place: probably at Turnberry Castle [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p605]
RoyalAnc v1p610 Brus 8 Robert de BRUS "… Illegitimate children of Robert I [de Brus] of Scotland, by an unknown mistress (or mistresses): … iv. Neil de Brus, of Carrick … He was killed at the Battle of Durham 17 October 1346."
The battle on 17 Oct 1346 is usually referred to as the Battle of Neville's Cross. It was about 800m west of Durham.
Nigel BRUCE s/o Robert De BRUS, King Of Scots & d. 17 Oct 1346 Neville's Cross
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place: at battle of Durham [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p610]
RoyalAnc v1p615 Brus 10 Robert STEWART (or Robert II of Scotland) "… married (2nd) by dispensation dated 2 May 1355 Euphame of ROSS, … daughter of Hugh, 4th Earl of Ross, by his 2nd wife, Margaret, daughter of David Graham, Knt".
While David GRAHAM is identified as her father in CP I p311 (with corr in XIV p47), John Ravilious published an article in _The Scottish Genealogist_ in 2017 to correct this. Page 50 identifies Margaret as a daughter of Sir John Graham, lord of Abercorn, and sister of Agnes (Graham) Douglas. See Ravilious, John, Queen Euphemia and her ancestry, TSG LXIV(2), Jun 2017, 49-52
Margaret GRAHAM d/o John GRAHAM & Isabella m. Before 24 Nov 1329 Sir Hugh De ROSS, Earl Of Ross m2. Abt 13 Apr 1341 John De BARCLAY
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father: David GRAHAM of Montrose [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p615]
Sir David GRAHAM & (unk-wife) m.
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child: Margaret GRAHAM wife of Hugh Earl of Ross [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p615]
RoyalAnc v1p617 Brus 10 Robert STEWART (or Robert II of Scotland) "… Children of Robert II of Scotland, by Elizabeth More: …ii. Walter STEWART, … His widow, Isabel, married (3rd) … Thomas BISET (or BISSET, BYSETH), Knt, of Upsetffington, Berwickshire. … died before 17 Apr 1365".
CP V p375 says 17 Apr 1365. Chris Phillips CP++ changes this to 17 Apr 1366, noting a systematic error in the regnal years given in the acts of David II of Scotland.
Sir Thomas BYSET s/o d. Before 17 Apr 1366 m. Abt 10 Jan 1362/3 Elizabeth Countess Of Fife
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date: before 17 Apr 1365 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p617]
RoyalAnc v1p633 Brus 10 "… Children of Robert II of Scotland, by Elizabeth More: … viii. Isabel STEWART …"
SP I p16 shows this Isabel as fourth daughter by first wife, Elizabeth MURE. However, CP IV p421 says she was daughter of Robert II by his second wife, Euphemia of Ross.
Isabel STEWART d/o Robert II STEWART, King Of Scots & Euphemia Of Ross d. 1409 m. Abt 23 Sep 1371 James DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m2. Before 1390 Sir John EDMONSTONE
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mother: Elizabeth MURE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p633]
Robert II STEWART, King Of Scots & Elizabeth MURE m. Abt 22 Nov 1347
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child: Isabel wife of James Earl of Douglas and John Edmonstone [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p633]
RoyalAnc v1p641 Brus 10 "… Children of Robert II of Scotland, by Euphema of Ross: … iii. Gilles STEWART married abt 1387 William de DOUGLAS … … Children of Giles Stewart by William de Douglas, Knt: … b. Giles de DOUGLAS … married (2nd) by dispensation dated 29 April 1418 Alexander STEWART, …"
The marriage of Giles de DOUGLAS to Alexander STEWART was after 29 April 1422, according to CP X p96. The dispensation was dated 3 Kal May (29 April) 1422 (SP VI p570 (with corr in IX p146). Neil Thompson in _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v4p146(8) notes that the date is not 1418, as given in SP VI 570-1 (which was the text prior to the correction in SP IX).
Sir Alexander STEWART & Jill DOUGLAS m. After 29 Apr 1422
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date: disp 29 Apr 1418 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p641]
RoyalAnc v1p649 Brus 11 John STEWART "… crowned King of Scotland at Scone 14 August 1390, taking as his regnal name King Robert III.… Children of Robert III of Scotland by Annabelle de Drummond: … iii. Margaret STEWART … married Archibald DOUGLAS, Knt, … son and heir of Archibald Douglas, Knt, 3rd Earl of Douglas, by Joan, daughter of Maurice de Moray, Earl of Strathearn."
Joan MORAY was daughter of Thomas MORAY and Joan daughter of Sir Maurice MORAY, as given in John Ravilious's posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 1/1/2006, and also given in RoyalAnc v1p620. This was confirmed by Douglas Richardson in a posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 3/1/2018
Joan MORAY d/o Sir Thomas MORAY, Lord Of Bothwell & Joan MORAY d. Before Aug 1409 m. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas
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father: Maurice de MORAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p649]
Sir Maurice MORAY, Earl Of Strathern & Joan De MONTEITH m. Abt 11 Jul 1339
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child: Joan MORAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p649]
RoyalAnc v1p664 Brus 16 James II of Scotland "… Children of James II of Scotland by Mary of Guelders: … ii. Alexander STEWART … married (2nd) Anne de la TOUR … She died at La Rochette in Savoy 15 October 1512 …"
She died 13 Oct 1512, as given in CP I p31, which corrects SP I p153.
Anne De La TOUR d/o Bertrand De La TOUR, Count Of Boulogne & Louise Of Tremoille b. 3 d. 13 Oct 1512 La Rochette, Savoy u. Carmelite Monestery, Savoy m. 19 Jan 1478/9 France Alexander STEWART, Duke Of Albany m2. Abt 15 Feb 1486/7 Louis De La Chambre, Count Of La Chambre
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date: 15 Oct 1512 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p664]
RoyalAnc v1p673 Brus 15 James IV of Scotland"…Child of Margaret TUDOR by Archibald DOUGLAS: …i. Margaret DOUGLAS … married at St James Place, London, 6 July 1544 Matthew STEWART …"
Their marriage was on 29 Jun 1544, as given in CP VII p599, and confirmed by Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v1p164. Neil notes that 6 July is often given, following DNB and Fraser, and that 6 July 1544 was the date of the English Naturalization of the Earl. The error is also found in SP and Paget v1p217. A letter from the Spanish ambassador to Emperor Charles V, dated 29 Jun 1544, states that the marriage was made that morning, and is cited by CP VII p599(b).
Matthew STEWART, Earl Of Lennox & Margaret DOUGLAS m. 29 Jun 1544 St James Palace
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date: 6 Jul 1544 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p673]
RoyalAnc v2p4 Buchan 8 Elizabeth (or Isabel) de QUINCY "… Children of Elizabeth (or Isabel) de Quincy, by Alexander Comyn, Knt: i. John COMYN, Knt, … He married Isabel of Fife, daughter of Colban, Earl of Fife, by Anne, daughter and co-heiress of Alan Durward, Knt."
Isabel's parents were Duncan, Earl of Fife, and Joan de CLARE, as given in SP IV p11, and (father only) in CP II p375.
Isabel Of Fife d/o Duncan MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife & Joan De CLARE d. After Apr 1313 m. 2 John COMYN, Earl Of Buchan
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parents: Colban Earl of Fife & Anne DURWARD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p4]
Colban MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife & Anna DURWARD m. Abt 1262
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child: Isabel wife of John COMYN [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p4]
RoyalAnc v2p29 Burgundy 6 Eudes III Duke of Burgundy "… married (2nd) in summer 1199 Alix (or Alaydis) de VERGY … They had … two daughters, Alix (wife of Bertraud II, seigneur of Mercoeur, and Robert I, Count of Clermont in Auvergne)."
The wife of Robert I Count of Clermont in Auvergne was Alesie of Ventadour, as given in ES III #733 and #765.
Alesie Of Ventadour d/o Ebles V Vicount Of Ventadour & Marguerite/Marie Of Turenne [ES:III-765] d. Before Nov 1260 m. Before May 1238 Robert I Count Of Clermont
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parents: Eudes III & Alix de VERGY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p29]
Eudes III Duke Of Burgundy & Alice De VERGY m. 1199
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child: Alix wife of Robert I Count of Clermont [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p29]
RoyalAnc v2p49 Butler 8 James Le BOTELER (or BUTLER), Knt, 2nd Earl of Ormond "… He married … Elizabeth DARCY, daughter of John DARCY, Knt, … They had four sons … and two daughters … Joan (wife of Tiege O'Carrol). "
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Butler 9 James Le BOTELER (or BUTLER), 3rd Earl of Ormond "… married before 17 June 1386 Anne WELLES … They had two sons … and one daughter, Joan (wife of Tiege O'Carroll)."
Joan was daughter of James BOTELER and Elizabeth DARCY, which matches Richardson's PlantagenetAncestry p177, and Roberts RD600 p323, and also wikitree. The second occurrence of Joan seems to be unique to RoyalAnc.
Joan BUTLER d/o James BUTLER, Earl Of Ormond & Elizabeth DARCY m. Teige O'CARROLL
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parents: James BUTLER & Anne WELLES [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p49(second)]
James BUTLER, Earl Of Ormond & Anne WELLES m. Before 17 Jun 1386
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child: Joan BUTLER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p49(second)]
RoyalAnc v2p70 Camoys 7 John de CAMOYS "… Children of John de Camoys, Knt, by Elizabeth le Latimer: … ii. Maud CAMOYS, married Edward COURTENAY, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, 4th Lord Courtenay [see Courtenay 8.i]."
Maud was daughter of Thomas Camoys, 3rd Lord Camoys, and Elizabeth Louches. So says CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98), CP IV p325, and CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368). Also says Roskell HoP v2p284 (entry for Sir William Bonville). Also Faris PA2 p37. Also Richardson PA p127 and p240.
But then there is Douglas Richardson's GEN-MEDIEVAL posting on 12/23/2006, which raises questions about Maud's parentage, but offers no solutions, and led to no discussion. This was hardly a proposed correction to CP. So no changes.
Maud CAMOYS d/o Thomas CAMOYS, K.G., Lord Camoys & Elizabeth LOUCHES m. Before 1382/3 Edward COURTENAY, Earl Of Devon
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parents: John CAMOYS & Elizabeth LATIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p70]
Sir John De COMOYS & Elizabeth Le LATIMER m. Before 1351
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child: Maud CAMOYS wife of Edward COURTENAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p70]
RoyalAnc v2p93 Cantelowe 9 William la ZOUCHE, Knt, 2nd Lord Zouche "… Children of William la Zouche, Knt, by Elizabeth de Roos: … ii. Thomas la ZOUCHE, Knt, … married Mary D'ENGAINE … His wife Mary died 14 May 1401."
CP V p78 gives her death date as 19 May 1401.
Mary ENGAINE d/o Sir John ENGAINE, Lord Engaine & Joan PEVEREL b. Abt 1343 d. 19 May 1401 m. Before 1367 Sir William BERNAK m2. 2 Sir Thomas La ZOUCHE
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date: 14 May 1401 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p93]
RoyalAnc v2p107 Carey 15 William CAREY "… Children by William Carey, by Mary Boleyn: … ii. Henry (or Harry) Carey, K.G., … married Anne (or Annes) MORGAN, daughter of Thomas Morgan, Esq, of Arkeston, by Elizabeth, daughter of James Whitney, Esq."
Anne MORGAN's mother is given by CP VI p629 and p629(e) as Anne, daughter of Sir Robert WHITNEY and Sibell BASKERVILLE.
Anne MORGAN d/o Sir Thomas MORGAN & Anne WHITNEY d. 19 Jan 1606/7 u. Chapel of St John Baptist, Westminster Abbey m. Abt 21 May 1545 Henry CARY, Lord Hunsdon
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mother: Elizabeth WHITNEY daughter of James WHITNEY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p107]
RoyalAnc v2p174 Clare 2 Gilbert FITZ RICHARD (also styled De CLARE and De TONBRIDGE) "…Children of Gilbert Fitz Richard, by Alice de Clermont: … vi. Alice De TONBRIDGE, married William de PERCY, of Topcliffe, Yorkshire [see Percy 3]."
Adeliza de TONBRIDGE is shows as daughter of Richard FITZ GILBERT and Adeliza Le MESCHIN in Keats-Rohan DD p397 (with Rosie Bevan's corrections), and p631, Michael Altschul's _Baronial Family in Medieval Europe, the Clares_ chart#1, and ES III #710. Also, CP X p348(e) states "Alice, who m. William de Percy was probably his[Gilbert 1st Earl of Pembroke's] niece"
Adeliza De TUNBRIDGE d/o Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare & Adeliza Le MESCHIN [ES:III-156] d. After 1148 m. Before 1136 William De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe
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parents: Gilbert Fitz Richard & Adeliza De Clermont [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p174]
Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare & Adeliza De CLERMONT m. 1
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child: Alice de Tonbridge wife of William de Percy [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p174]
RoyalAnc v2p202 Clare 8 Gilbert de CLARE, Knt, 7th Earl of Gloucester "… Children of Gilbert de Clare, Knt, by Alice de Lusignan: … ii. Joan de CLARE … Child of Joan de CLARE, by Duncan of Fife: a. Duncan of Fife … Child of Duncan of Fife, Knt, by Mary de Monthermer: 1) Isabel (or Elizabeth) of Fife, … married (3rd) Thomas BISET (or BISSET, BYSETH) … died before 17 April 1365."
CP V p375 says 17 Apr 1365. Chris Phillips CP++ changes this to 17 Apr 1366, noting a systematic error in the regnal years given in the acts of David II of Scotland.
Sir Thomas BYSET s/o d. Before 17 Apr 1366 m. Abt 10 Jan 1362/3 Elizabeth Countess Of Fife
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date: before 17 Apr 1365 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p202]
RoyalAnc v2p244 Clifford 12 Roger De CLIFFORD, Knt, 5th Lord Clifford "… born 10 July 1333."
CP III p292 originally said 10 July 1333, but was then corrected in volume XIV p188 to 20 July 1333.
Sir Roger CLIFFORD, Lord Clifford s/o Robert De CLIFFORD, Lord Clifford & Isabel BERKELEY [CP:III-292, AR:26-32, MC:82-7] b. 20 Jul 1333 Brougham, Westmorland c. 20 Jul 1333 Brougham, Westmorland d. 13 Jul 1389 m. Before 20 Mar 1357 Maud De BEAUCHAMP
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date: 10 Jul 1333 [Ref: Richardson PA p215]
date: 10 Jul 1333 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p244]
RoyalAnc v2p256 Clifton 10 Adam de CLIFTON "… married Eleanor de MORTIMER, … They had two sons, Constantine and Adam, Knt, "
Constantine CLIFTON (Clifton 11), father of John CLIFTON, 1st Lord Clifton (Clifton 12) was son of Adam son of Adam (Clifton 10). CP III p307(a) gives the details.
Constantine De CLIFTON s/o Adam De CLIFTON & d. Abt 20 Jan 1363 m. Before 20 May 1340 Catherine De La POLE
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parents: Adam de CLIFTON & Eleanor de MORTIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p256]
Sir Adam De CLIFTON & Eleanor De MORTIMER m.
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child: Constantine De CLIFTON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p256]
RoyalAnc v2p256 Clifton 10 Adam de CLIFTON "… married Eleanor de MORTIMER, … They had two sons, Constantine and Adam, Knt, and one daughter, Eleanor (wife of John MAUTEBY)."
Eleanor was sister of Constantine de CLIFTON. See Rosie Bevan's posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 2/12/2000.
Eleanor De CLIFTON d/o Adam De CLIFTON & m. Sir John MAUTEBY
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parents: Adam de CLIFTON & Eleanor de MORTIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p256]
Sir Adam De CLIFTON & Eleanor De MORTIMER m.
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child: Eleanor De CLIFTON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p256]
RoyalAnc v2p257 Clifton 11 Constantine de CLIFTON "… married Katherine De La POLE, daughter of William de la POLE, Knt, of Kingston upon Hull, Yorkshire, Baron of the Exchequer, by Katherine daughter of Walter de NORWICH, Knt."
CP XI p541 originally said Katherine was daughter of Walter de NORWICH, but that information was deleted by volume XIV p573. Neil Thompson, _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v26p224 says her surname is unknown.
Catherine d/o d. 28 Jan 1381/2 m. Sir William De La POLE, Baron Of The Exchequer
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father: Walter de NORWICH Chief Baron of the Exchequer [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p257]
RoyalAnc v2p277 Codnor 16 John ZOUCHE (or SOUCHE), Esq "… His widow Eleanor married John MELTON, Knt, … son and heir of John MELTON, Knt, … by Margaret, daughter of Roger de Clifford, Knt, 5th Lord Clifford."
Margaret wife of Sir John MELTON, was daughter of William FITZ HUGH and Margery de WILLOUGHBY, as stated in CP V p434, and also in RoyalAnc v2p632.
Margery FITZ HUGH d/o William FITZ HUGH, Lord FitzHugh & Margery De WILLOUGHBY b. 6 m. Abt 1454 Sir John MELTON
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father: Sir Roger CLIFFORD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p277]
Sir Roger CLIFFORD, Lord Clifford & Maud De BEAUCHAMP m. Before 20 Mar 1357
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child: Margaret wife of Sir John MELTON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p277]
RoyalAnc v2p294 Corbet Richard CORBET, Knt "… died 6 Dec 1493."
Richard CORBET died 6 Dec 1492, as given in CP V p88(a). The incorrect date 6 Dec 1493 also appears in Weis AR7 #56B, and Faris PA2 p139.
Sir Richard CORBET s/o Sir Roger CORBET & Elizabeth HOPTON b. Abt 1451 d. 6 Dec 1492 m. Before 1478 Elizabeth DEVEREUX
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date: 6 Dec 1493 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p294]
RoyalAnc v2p310 Cornwall 11 Richard CORNWALL, Esq "… He married (1st) before 1402 Cecily SEYMOUR, possibly daughter of Ralph Seymour, Knt, living 1375, Sheriff of Glamorgan and Morganou, 1373."
Cecily was daughter of Sir Roger SEYMOUR and Cecily BEAUCHAMP, as shown in Paul C Reed's article "Descent of St Maur Family of co Monmouth and Seymour Family of Hatch, co Somerset", page 438, in Foundations for Medieval Genealogy, vol 2 no 6 (2008), pp390-442. RoyalAnc's list of references includes Paul Reed's article, and mentions his identification of Cecily's parents.
Cecily SEYMOUR d/o Sir Roger SEYMOUR & Cecily BEAUCHAMP b. Abt 1355 m. Before 1402 Richard CORNWALL
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father: Sir Ralph SEYMOUR [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p310]
RoyalAnc v2p315 Courtenay 1 Reynold de COURTENAY (or CURTENAY, CORTENAY) "… He married (1st) an unidentified wife, ___, They had three sons, William, Robert, and Reynold, and one daughter, Egeline."
Egeline COURTENAY was daughter of Reginald COURTENAY (son of Reginald COURTENAY 1) by Hawise de COURCY. This was shown by Richard Borthwick in a GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 4/20/1997.
Egline De COURTENAY d/o Reginald De COURTENAY & Hawise De COURCY d. After 1219 m. Gilbert BASSET
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parents: Renaud & unidentified first wife [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p315]
Renaud De COURTENAY & (Unk) m. 1
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child: Egline [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p315]
RoyalAnc v2p316 Courtenay 1 Reynold de COURTENAY (or CURTENAY, CORTENAY) "… Children of Reynold de Courtenay, by ___: … ii. Egeline de COURTENAY, married Gilbert BASSET, of … son and heir of Thomas BASSET, by Alice, daughter of Walter de Dunstanville."
Alice was daughter of Alan de DUNSTANVILLE, as shown in Keats-Rohan DomesdayDescendants p441, and a posting by Leslie Mahler to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 2/24/1999, referencing the article by F.N.Craig in NEHGR Jul 1988 vol 142 pp227-244.
Adeliza De DUNSTANVILLE d/o Alan De DUNSTANVILLE & d. After 1181 m. Thomas BASSET
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father: Walter De DUNSTANVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p316]
Walter De DUNSTANVILLE, Baron Of Castle Combe & Sibil m.
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child: Alice wife of Thomas BASSET [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p316]
RoyalAnc v2p321 Courtenay 5 Hugh de COURTENAY, Knt "… died at Colecombe (or Collicomb), Devon 28 Feb 1291/2."
Hugh died 20 Feb 1291/2, as given in Reed, Paul C, Royal Descent of the Bernard, Corderoy, and Ironmonger families, TAG v73 (Oct 1998), pp181-193 and 294-311. Also given in Weis AR7 #50, and John Ravilious posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 12/18/2005.
Sir Hugh De COURTENAY, Baron Of Oakhampton s/o Sir John De COURTENAY, Baron Of Oakhampton & Isabel De VERE [CP:III-465, ES:III-629, AR:50-30] b. 25 Mar 1251 d. 20 Feb 1291/2 Cullicomb, Devon u. Cowick Priory, Exeter, Devon m. Eleanor Le DESPENSER
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date: 28 Feb 1291/2 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p321]
RoyalAnc v2p331 Courtenay 8 Edward de COURTENAY, Knt "… Children of Edward de Courtenay, Knt, by Emeline Dauney: i. Edward Courtenay, Knt, … He married before 31 May 1383 Maud CAMOYS, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt, of Gressenhall, Norfolk, by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, daughter of William le Latimer, 3rd Lord Latimer."
Maud was daughter of Thomas Camoys, 3rd Lord Camoys, and Elizabeth Louches. So says CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98), CP IV p325, and CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368). Also says Roskell HoP v2p284 (entry for Sir William Bonville). Also Faris PA2 p37. Also Richardson PA p127 and p240.
But then there is Douglas Richardson's GEN-MEDIEVAL posting on 12/23/2006, which raises questions about Maud's parentage, but offers no solutions, and led to no discussion. This was hardly a proposed correction to CP. So no changes.
Maud CAMOYS d/o Thomas CAMOYS, K.G., Lord Camoys & Elizabeth LOUCHES m. Before 1382/3 Edward COURTENAY, Earl Of Devon
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parents: John CAMOYS & Elizabeth LATIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p331]
Sir John De COMOYS & Elizabeth Le LATIMER m. Before 1351
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child: Maud CAMOYS wife of Edward COURTENAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p331]
RoyalAnc v2p348 Cromer 14 James FIENNES (or FIENYS), Knt "… He married (1st) Joan ___. They had one son, William, Knt [2nd Lord Saye and Sele] and one daughter, Elizabeth."
CP XI p482 shows only a single marriage of James, and William was son by that wife. Will Johnson (in his RPA errata website) also find no evidence of another wife (also citing Brice Clagett's Gen-Medieval posting of 7/9/2004. Brice Clagett also questions the surname of wife Emmeline GEN-MEDIEVAL 3/19/2001.
William FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele s/o Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele & Emiline CROMER [CP:XI-482] b. Abt 1428 d. 14 Apr 1471 Barnet u. Church of St Thomass Hospital, Southwark m. 1 Margaret WYKEHAM
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parents: James FIENNES & unk first wife [Ref: Richardson PA p245]
parents: James FIENNES & unk first wife [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele & Joan m. 1
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child: William [Ref: Richardson PA p245]
child: William [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Elizabeth FIENNES d/o Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele & Emiline CROMER m. 1 William CROMER m2. After 1450 Alexander IDEN m3. After 1457 Sir Laurence RAYNSFORD
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parents: James FIENNES & unk first wife [Ref: Richardson PA p245]
parents: James FIENNES & unk first wife [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele & Joan m. 1
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child: Elizabeth [Ref: Richardson PA p245]
child: Elizabeth [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
RoyalAnc v2p385 Dammartin 4 Simon de DAMMARTIN Count of Aumale "… They had four daughters, Jeanne, Mathilde (wife of Jean de Chatellerault), Philippe … "
Mathilde (who also appears as Agatha) married Aimeri Viscount of Chatellerault, not Jean. See ES III #649 and #813.
Aimeri II Viscount Of Chatellerault & Agatha De DAMMARTIN m.
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names: Jean de Chatellerault & Mathilde de Dammartin [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p385]
RoyalAnc v2p456 Dinham 5 John de DINHAM (or DYNHAM), Knt "… He married in or before 1310 MARGARET DE BOTREAUX … His widow, Margaret, died 28 Nov 1361."
Margaret died before 16 Jan 1360/1, as shown by John Ravilious in GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 12/19/2005
Margaret De BOTREAUX d/o William De BOTREAUX & d. Before 16 Jan 1360/1 m. Abt 1310 Sir John De DINHAM, Lord Dinham
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date: 28 Nov 1361 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p456]
RoyalAnc v2p533 Everingham 09 Joan D'EIVILLE "… married before 16 May 1332 Adam de EVERINGHAM, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham, … They had three sons, William, Knt, Reginald, Knt, and allegedly George, and two daughters, Margaret and allegedly Katherine. … Chiuldren of Joan d'Eiville, by Adam de Everingham, Knt: … ii. Katherine de Everingham (alleged daughter), married John BEAUMONT, K.G., 4th Lord Beaumont [see BEAUMONT 10]."
CP II p61 says John Beaumont m. Catherine dau and heir of Thomas Everingham, of Laxton, Notts. CP II p262 William Botreaux m. Elizabeth, dau of John Beaumont and Katherine dau of Thomas Everingham. CP XIV adds that she (Elizabeth) was living 20 Jul 1415, and no corrections regarding Katherine or Thomas.
Adam Everingham, 2nd Lord Everingham, held Laxton, Notts, like Thomas Everingham, father of Katherine did. How did Laxton get to Thomas??? Adam Lord Everingham had three sons (none named Thomas) and three daughters (none named Katherine), and one son (Reginald) survived his father. Reginald's only son died as a child; was Thomas the heir? Very little seems known, lots needing further research, but nothing supports a correction to CP.
Catherine EVERINGHAM d/o Thomas EVERINGHAM & d. Abt 1 Feb 1426/7 m. John BEAUMONT, K.G., Lord Beaumont
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p533]
Adam De EVERINGHAM, Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE m. Before 16 May 1332
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child: (alleged to be) Catherine EVERINGHAM wife of John BEAUMONT [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p533]
RoyalAnc v2p555 Felton 5 Hawise le STRANGE daughter of Joan de SOMERY married John Le STRANGE, of Knockin, Shropshire [see STRANGE 4].
CP V p290 originally said Hawise was dau of John LeSTRAUNGE of Knockin, Salop, by Joan, 2nd da of Sir Roger de SOMERY, of Dudley, co Worcester. Corrections in XIV p318 changed this to dau of John LESTRAUNGE, 1st Lord Strange of Knokin, by Alienore, da of Eble de MONTZ and widow of Stephen SOMERY [see STRANGE].
RoyanAnc seems to have missed the update to CP.
Hawise LESTRANGE d/o John V LESTRANGE, Lord Strange & Alienore De MONTZ d. After 16 May 1303 m. 1 Stephen SOMERY m2. 2 Sir Robert De FELTON, Lord Felton
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parents: John STRANGE & Joan SOMERY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p555]
John IV Le STRANGE & Joan De SOMERY m. Before 1254
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child: Hawise wife of Robert FELTON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p555]
RoyalAnc v2p562 Ferrers 7 William de FERRERS "… He married (2nd) in or before 1238 Margaret (or Margery) De QUINCY, … They had two sons … and three daughters, Elizabeth, Joan, and Agnes. … Children of William de Ferrers, Knt, by Margaret de Quincy: … iii. Elizabeth de FERRERS, married (1st) (as his 2nd wife) William MARSHAL … through source citations."
Elizabeth, second wife of William MARSHAL, was daughter of Robert de FERRERS, 6th Earl of Derby, as given in CP VIII p527 (with corr in XIV p468), by his first wife, as given in CP IV p202(a).
Elizabeth De FERRERS d/o Robert De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby & Mary De Lusignan d. After Jun 1297 m. 2 Sir William MARSHAL m2. Before 1275 Dafydd Ap Gruffyd, Prince Of Gwynedd
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parents: William de FERRERS & Margaret de QUINCY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p562]
William De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby & Margaret De QUINCEY m. Abt 1238
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child: Elizabeth wife of William MARSHAL [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p562]
RoyalAnc v2p575 Ferrers 15 Anne FERRERS "… married before 26 Nov 1446 (as his 1st wife) Walter DEVEREUX, K.G., … They had three sons, …, and two daughters, Elizabeth and Sibyl (or Isabel)(wife of James Baskerville, Knt)."
Sibyl was either the sister of Walter DEVEREUX K.G., or his daughter. Burke's Peerage p996, and RoyalAnc v2p575 say daughter, while John Ravilious showed she was his sister in a GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 5/2/2013. John showed that the marriage of Sir John BASKERVILLE and Sibyl DEVEREUX occurred in or before 7 Jan 1454/5, when Anne FERRERS was little more than 16 years old.
Sybil DEVEREUX d/o Sir Walter DEVEREUX & Elizabeth MERBURY m. Abt 7 Jan 1454/5 Sir James BASKERVILLE
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parents: Walter DEVEREUX & Anne FERRERS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p575]
Sir Walter DEVEREUX, K.G., Lord Ferrers of Chartle & Anne FERRERS m. Before 26 Nov 1446
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child: Sibyl DEVEREUX [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p575]
RoyalAnc v2p619 Fitz Herbert 01 Herbert of Winchester (also styled Herbert the Chamberlain) "… He married Emma ___, allegedly an illegitimate daughter of Etienne Henri, Count of Blois, and half-sister to Stephen, King of England."
Herbert the Chamberlain married a sister of Osbert, shown in Keats-Rohan DomesdayDescendants p932, and RRAN v2#1930. Emma of Blois married another Herbert, identified as "Herbert Filius Alberici" (Keats-Rohan DomesdayPeople p250).
Herbert FITZ HERBERT s/o Herbert Of Winchester, Chamberlain And Treasure & (Unk) [AR:262-27] b. Before 1106 d. Before 1155 m. Sibyl CORBET
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mother: Emma [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p619]
Herbert FITZALBERIC & Emma Of Blois m.
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child: Herbert fitz Herbert [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p619]
RoyalAnc v2p625 Fitz Herbert 6 John FITZ REYNOLD, Knt "… He married Agnes ___. They had one son, Herbert, Knt."
In a posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 9/5/2018 Douglas Richardson said the son Herbert was by an unidentified first wife, not by Agnes. That posting should be considered an correction to RoyalAncestry.
Sir Herbert FITZ JOHN, Lord FitzReynold s/o Sir John FITZ REYNOLD, Lord FitzReynold & [CP:V-467] b. Abt 1274 d. 25 Jun 1321 m. 29 Apr 1291 Harescombe, Co Gloucester Alianore Le ROUS
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mother: Agnes [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p625]
Sir John FITZ REYNOLD, Lord FitzReynold & Agnes De FERRERS m. Before 1289
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child: Herbert [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p625]
RoyalAnc v2p630 Fitz Hugh 11 Eve de BULMER "married (as his 1st wife) Henry Fitz HUGH, Knt, … son and heir of Hugh Fitz Henry, Knt, … by Aubrey, daughter of William de STEYNGRAVE, Knt, of Stonegrave, Yorkshire."
Aubrey was widow of William de STEYNGRAVE, not daughter. See CP V p417.
Aubrey d/o d. Abt 25 Jan 1302/3 Horworth-On-Tees u. 25 Jan 1302/3 Jervaulx Abbey m. 1 William De STEYNGRAVE m2. After 1264 Sir Hugh FITZHENRY, Lord Of Ravensworth
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father: Sir William de STEYNGRAVE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p630]
William De STEYNGRAVE & Aubrey m. 1
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child: Aubrey [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p630]
RoyalAnc v2p644 Fitz Walter 4 Maud de SENLIS "… married (2nd) between 1137 and 1140 (as his 1st wife) Saher De QUINCY (or QUENCY), … Saher married (2nd) after 1165 Asceline PEVEREL, …"
Two successive generations are being collapsed together in this entry. Saher I married Maud de SENLIS, and died 1156-58 (see CP XII/2 p746); Saher II (their son and heir) married Asceline PEVEREL in 1162 (again CP XII/2 p746). See also Chris Phillips proposed updates to Complete Peerage, Winchester
Saher II De QUENCY & Asceline PEVEREL m. 1163
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names: Saher & Asceline PEVEREL [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p644]
Saher De QUINCEY, Lord Of Buckby In Northampto & (unk-wife) m.
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names: Saher & Asceline PEVEREL [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p644]
RoyalAnc v2p654 Fitz Walter 8 Robert FITZ WALTER, Knt "… Child of Robert Fitz Walter, Knt, by Eleanor de Ferrers: … ii. Ida FITZ WALTER, married (1st) in 1305 Robert de la WARDE, Knt, Lord Warde, … son of William de la Warde, Knt."
Parents of Robert de la WARDE are given in CP XII/2 p350(a) as Sir John de la WARDE and Lucia.
Robert De La WARDE, Lord Warde s/o Sir John De La WARDE & Lucia [CP:XII/2-350] d. Abt 25 Jan 1306/7 m. Before 1275 (Unk) m2. Before 1298 (Unk) m3. Before 2 Oct 1305 Ida FITZ WALTER
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father: Sir William de la WARDE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p654]
RoyalAnc v2p661 Fitz Warin 9 Fulk FITZ WARIN, Knt "… married Margaret De La POLE… They had three sons, Fulk, Knt [2nd Lord Fitz Warin], William, K.G., and John, and two daughters…"
William Fitz Warin, K.G., was son of Fulk Fitz WARIN, and grandson of Fulk Fitz WARIN and Margaret De La POLE. See CP V p512(c), where he is identified as younger brother of Sir Fulk Fitz Warin who died in 1349.
Sir William FITZWARIN, K.G. s/o Fulk FITZWARIN, Lord Fitzwarin & Alianore De BEAUCHAMP [CP:V-512] b. 4 d. Abt 28 Oct 1361 u. Wantage, Berks m. Before 1337 Amice De HADDEN
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parents: Fulk FITZ WARIN & Margaret De La POLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p661]
Sir Fulk FITZWARIN, Lord Fitzwarin & Margaret De La POLE m. Before 25 Feb 1276/7
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child: William FITZWARIN K.G. [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p661]
RoyalAnc v3p3 Flanders 9 Yolande of Flanders "… married Gautier (or Wutier) II D'ENGHIEN, Chev, seigneur of Enghien (1271), Vidame of Tubize, son an dheir of Gautier I, seigneur of Enghien, by his 3rd wife, Marie, daughter of Manasses, Count of Rethel."
Marie of Rethel is shown as daughter of Manasses in ES III #626, but that is corrected in ES VII #79 to be daughter of Jean of Rethel and Marie of Audenaard
Marie Of Rethel d/o Jean Of Rethel & Marie Of Audenaard, Dame Of Baucignies [ES:III-626] d. Mar 1316 m. 1266 Walter I Of Enghein
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father: Manasses Count of Rethel [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p3]
Manasses IV Count Of Rethel & Elizabeth Of Ecry m. Before Dec 1237
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child: Marie wife of Walter I le Grand d'Enghien [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p3]
RoyalAnc v3p4 Flanders 11 Louis D'ENGHIEN "… married Jeanne (or Giovanna) di SANSEVERINO, daughter of Antonio di Sanseverino, Count of Marsico, Prince of Salerno, Grand Constable of Naples, by Isabeau, daughter of Guillaume des Baux."
Isabeau des Baux was daughter of Bertrand de Baux, Count of Adria, by Marguerite of Aulnay. See ES III #750.
Isabeau Of Baux d/o Bertrand De Baux, Count Of Andria & Marguerite Of Aulnay [ES:III-750] d. 1379 m. Antonio Of Sanserverino, Count Of Marsico
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father: Guillaume de Baux [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p4]
RoyalAnc v3p31 France 10 Philippe III of France, King of France "… married (1st) at Clermont en Auvergne 6 July 1262 … Isabelle (or Elizabeth) of ARAGON, …"
The marriage date is given by Neil Thompson, _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v25p225 as 28 May 1262, and there are no updates to this in the book published in 2012.
Phillip III The Bold King Of France & Isabelle Of Aragon m. 28 May 1262 Clermont-En-Auvergne
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date: 6 Jul 1262 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p31]
note: Douglas disputes the traditional date of 28 May 1262, citing a record of the Archbishop of Rouen who performed the ceremony [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p31(2)]
RoyalAnc v3p46 Furnival 8 Thomas de FURNIVAL "… married Bertha de FERRERS … They had two sons … and two daughters, Margaret (wife of Hugh de Neville and Hugh de Miton) "
Margaret was daughter of Thomas de FURNIVAL given in Furnival 9 on v3p47 and his unknown wife. See CP IX p502 "Notes to the Conjectural Early Generations of the Chart Pedigree of Neville" note (h) "Hugh de Neville m. Margaret, da. of Thomas, s. of Thomas de Furnival …". See also posting of John Ravilious to GEN-MEDIEVAL 6/16/2005.
Margaret De FURNIVAL d/o Sir Thomas De FURNIVAL & d. After 1289 m. 1 Hugh De NEVILLE m2. Abt 1284 Hugh De MITON
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parents: Thomas de FURNIVAL & Bertha De FERRERS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p46]
Sir Thomas De FURNIVAL & Bertha De FERRERS m. 1
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child: Margaret De FURNIVAL wife of Hugh NEVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p46]
RoyalAnc v3p64 Gant 3 Robert de GANT (or GAUNT) "… Child of Robert de Gant, by Alice Paynell: i. Avice de GANT, married (as his 2nd wife) Robert FITZ ROBERT … Robert previously married (1st) Hawise de GOURNAY, daughter and heiress of Robert de Gournay …"
Hawise de GOURNAY was daughter and heir of Nigel de GOURNAY; see Keats-Rohan DomesdayPeople p302.
Hawise De GOURNEY d/o Nigel De GOURNEY & m. 1 Roger De BALLON m2. 2 Roger De CLERE m3. 3 Robert De GHENT, Baron Of Beverstone
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father: Robert de GOURNAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p64]
RoyalAnc v3p71 Gant 8 William de KERDESTON, Knt, 2nd Lord Kerdeston "… Illegitimate child of William de Kerdeston, Knt, by Alice de Norwich: i. William de KERDESTON, Knt, … Sir William De KERDESTON died in 1391."
Sir William de KERDESTON died before 1386, as shown in Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v22p189, note 333 "When his son held the manor of Claxton (The Genealogist 11 (1997): 190)."
William De KERDESTON s/o William De KERDESTON, Lord Kerdeston & Alice De NORWICH b. Abt 1330 d. Before 1386 u. Reepham, Norfolk m. Before 1362 Cecily BREWES
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date: 1391 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p71]
RoyalAnc v3p83 Gerard 12 Peter GERARD, Knt "… He married before 1428 (date of grant) Isabel STRANGEWAYS, probable daughter of Thomas STRANGEWAYS."
Isabel STRANGEWAYS was daughter of James STRANGEWAYS and Joan ORELLS. See Todd Farmerie's GEN-MEDIEVAL posting on 8/1/1995 of corrections to Weis 7th edition of Ancestral Roots (which unfortunately isn't archived by google). Here is my zip file of these missed postings.
Isabella STRANGEWAYS d/o James STRANGEWAYS & Joan ORELLS d. After Feb 1448 m. Before 1428 Sir Peter GERARD
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father: probably Thomas STRANGEWAYS [Ref: Richardson MCA p367]
father: probably Thomas STRANGEWAYS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p83]
RoyalAnc v3p88 Gloucester 3 Robert FITZ ROY "… Children of Robert Fitz Roy, by Mabel Fitz Robert: … iv. Mabel of GLOUCESTER, married Gruffudd Ab IVOR BACH …"
Mabel who married Gruffudd Ab Ivor BACH was not the legitimate daughter named Mabel, rather the illegitimage daughter named Mabel. See Weis AR7 #179, or Keats-Rohan DomesdayDescendants p232.
Mabel d/o Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester & [AR:179-1] b. Before 1128 d. 23 Nov 1183 m. Abt 1158 Gruffudd AP IVOR BACH
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mother: Mabel Fitz Robert [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p88]
Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester & Maud FITZ HAMOND m. Abt 1121
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child: Mabel [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p88]
RoyalAnc v3p147 Groby 8 William de FERRERS, Knt "… He married (2nd) Eleanor de LOVAINE, daughter of Matthew de Lovaine, Knt, of Little Easton, Essex, by his wife, Muriel."
The wife of Matthew de LOVAINE, and mother of Eleanor, was Helisant, daughter of Thomas of Perche (son of Thomas Count of Perche), and Catherine LESMAYE. See posting by John Ravilious to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 9/6/2006.
Eleanor LOVAINE d/o Matthew De LOUVAINE, Baron Of Little Easton & Helisant d. After 1327 u. Dunmow Priory, Essex m. 2 Sir William De FERRERS m2. Abt 18 Feb 1290/1 Sir William DOUGLAS m3. After 8 Apr 1305 Sir William BAGOT
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mother: Muriel [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p147]
RoyalAnc v3p182 Gurdon 21 Muriel SEDLEY "… married (as his 2nd wife) Brampton GURDON … He married (1st) Elizabeth BARRETT (died 1603), daughter and co-heiress of Edward BARRETT, Esq, of Belhouse (in Aveley), Essex, by Elizabeth, daughter and co-heiress of Thomas LYTTON, Knt."
Elizabeth was daughter of Sir Robert LYTTON and Frances CAVALERY. See RoyalAnc v3p402
Elizabeth LYTTON d/o Sir Robert LYTTON & Frances CAVALERY m. Edward BARRETT m2. Thomas LITTLE
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father: Sir Thomas LYTTON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p182]
RoyalAnc v3p221 Harington 12 Robert HARINGTON "… Children of Robert Harington, K.B., by Isabel Loring: i. John HARINGTON, Knt, 4th Lord Harington … married Elizabeth COURTENAY, daughter of Edward Courtenay, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, by Maud, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt [see Courtenay 8.i for her ancestry]."
Maud was daughter of Thomas Camoys, 3rd Lord Camoys, and Elizabeth Louches. So says CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98), CP IV p325, and CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368). Also says Roskell HoP v2p284 (entry for Sir William Bonville). Also Faris PA2 p37. Also Richardson PA p127 and p240.
But then there is Douglas Richardson's GEN-MEDIEVAL posting on 12/23/2006, which raises questions about Maud's parentage, but offers no solutions, and led to no discussion. This was hardly a proposed correction to CP. So no changes.
Maud CAMOYS d/o Thomas CAMOYS, K.G., Lord Camoys & Elizabeth LOUCHES m. Before 1382/3 Edward COURTENAY, Earl Of Devon
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father: John CAMOYS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p221]
Sir John De COMOYS & Elizabeth Le LATIMER m. Before 1351
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child: Maud CAMOYS wife of Edward COURTENAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p221]
RoyalAnd v3p254 Hastings 9 Henry de HASTINGS, Knt "… Children of Henry de Hastings, Knt, by Joan de Cantelowe: … ii. Edmund de HASTINGS, Knt, … married shortly after 5 Jan 1292 Isabel RUSSELL, widow of William COMYN, of Kirkintiloch and Badenoch (died 3 August 1291), and …"
William COMYN died before 2 Jun 1291, as given in CP VI p382.
William COMYN s/o Sir John The Red COMYN, Justiciar Of Galloway & Eve b. 1 d. Before 2 Jun 1291 m. Before 1273 Isabel RUSSEL, Countess Of Menteith
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date: 3 Aug 1291 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p254]
RoyalAnc v3p258 Hastingss 10 John de HASTGINS, Kng "… Children of John de Hastings, Knt, by Isabel de Valence: … v. Margaret de HASTINGS, …"
Margaret Hastings was dau of John Hastings by his 2nd wife Isabel Despenser, according to CP VIII p538, and CP XII/2 p433. Richardson posted a large Hastings family tree to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 12/14/2008 ("Revised Hastings Pedigree"), without any sources cited for the CP-discrepancies. There was a long discussion, which generally ignored the pedigree.
Margaret HASTINGS d/o Sir John De HASTINGS, Lord Hastings & Isabel DESPENSER d. 7 Jul 1359 m. 1 William MARTIN, Lord Martin m2. 19 May 1326 Marlborough, Wiltshire Robert De WATEVILLE, Lord Wateville
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mother: Isabel De VALENCE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p258]
Sir John De HASTINGS, Lord Hastings & Isabel De VALENCE m. Abt 15 Jul 1275 Braxted, Essex
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child: Margaret [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p258]
RoyalAnc v3p280 Herbert 18 William HERBERT "… married (1st) at Windsor, Berkshire in Sept 1466 Mary WYDEVILLE…"
Their marriage was on 20 Jan 1466/7, as given in CP X p402 (with corr in XIV p522).
William HERBERT, Earl Of Pembroke & Mary WYDEVILLE m. 20 Jan 1466/7 Windsor, Berkshire
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date: Sep 1466 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p280]
RoyalAnc v3p286 Hingham 4 John MARSHAL, Knt "… Children of John Marshal, by Aline de Rye: i. John MARSHAL, … He married before 22 August 1242 Margery (or Margaret) of Warwick, suo jure Countess of Warwick, daughter of Henry, 5th Earl of Warwick, by his 1st wife, Margery, daughter of Henry d'Oilly."
Margaret, Countess of Warwick, was daughter of Henry, Earl of Warwick, by his second wife, Philippe BASSET. This is shown in Rosie Bevans Domesday Descendants corrections/additions p621, Rosie Bevan's article on the Earls of Warwick in FMG vol 1 (2004), and Rosie's posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 5/31/2003.
Margaret De NERBURGH, Couness Of Warwick d/o Henry De NEWBURGH, Earl Of Warwick & Philippe BASSET [CP:XII/2-366] d. 3 Jun 1253 m. Abt 22 Aug 1242 John MARSHALL m2. Before 14 Sep 1243 Sir John De PLESCY, Earl Of Warwick
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mother: Margaret de Oilly [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p286]
Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick & Margery De OILLY m. 1
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child: (of Margaret) Margaret de NEWBURGH Countess of Warwick [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p286]
RoyalAnc v3p286 Hingham 5 William MARSHAL "… He married (2nd) Elizabeth de FERRERS, daughter of William de Ferrers, Knt, 5th Earl of Derby, by his 2nd wife, Margaret (or Margery), daughter of Roger de Quincy, Knt, 2nd Earl of Winchester [see Ferrers 7 for her ancestry]."
Elizabeth, second wife of William MARSHAL, was daughter of Robert de FERRERS, 6th Earl of Derby, as given in CP VIII p527 (with corr in XIV p468), by his first wife, as given in CP IV p202(a).
Elizabeth De FERRERS d/o Robert De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby & Mary De Lusignan d. After Jun 1297 m. 2 Sir William MARSHAL m2. Before 1275 Dafydd Ap Gruffyd, Prince Of Gwynedd
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parents: William de FERRERS & Margaret de QUINCY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p286]
William De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby & Margaret De QUINCEY m. Abt 1238
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child: Elizabeth wife of William MARSHAL [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p286]
RoyalAnc v3p353 Hungary 6 Bohemond II, Prince of Antioch "… slain in battle in Cilicia in early 1130."
For the death date of Bohemond II, Moriarty in Plantagenet Ancestry gives the date Feb 1131 on pages 142 and 143.
Bohemond II Prince Of Antioch s/o Bohemond I Prince Of Antioch & Constance Of France [ES:II-205, AR:103-25] b. 1107 d. Feb 1131 Mimstra, Cilicia Campestris m. After Sep 1126 Alix
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date: early 1130 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p353]
RoyalAnc v3p379 Huntingfield 8 William de HUNTINGFIELD, Knt "… He married before 1260 Emma de GREY, daughter of John de GREY, Knt, of Shirland, Berkshire, by his 1st wife, Emma, daughter and heiress of Roger de CAUZ, of Water Eaton"
Mother of Emma de GREY was 1st wife of John de GREY, Emma, daughter of Geoffrey de GLANVILLE, and sister and coheir of another Geoffrey de GLANVILLE. See CP VI pedigree chart following p128, CP VI p172(e), and CP VI p665.
Emma De GREY d/o Sir John De GREY & Emma De GLANVILLE d. 1264 m. Before 1260 Sir William De HUNTINGFIELD
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mother: Emma de CAUZ , first wife of John GREY [Ref: Richardson MCA p448]
mother: Emma de CAUZ , first wife of John GREY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p379]
Sir John De GREY & Emma De CAUZ m. 2
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date: first marriage of John [Ref: Richardson MCA p448]
child: (of Emma de CAUZ) Emma [Ref: Richardson MCA p448]
child: (of Emma de CAUZ) Emma [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p379]
RoyalAnd v3p382 Huntingfield 10 Roger de HUNTINGFIELD, Knt "… married before 1313-14 (dated of fine) Eleanor ___. They had one son, Roger, and two daughters, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas de SYWARDBY) and Elizabeth (wife of Richard FRANCIS (or FRAUNCEYS))."
CP VI p670 (with corr in XIV) clearly says she was brother of William 1st Lord Huntingfield. CP IX p766 and p766(e) agree. CP IX p764 says parents are Roger Huntingfield & Cicely Norwich. See GEN-MEDIEVAL discussion about a CP correction, and Chris Phillips questioning it. Some other geneologists reconcile this by having two daughters Elizabeth daughters of Roger Huntingfield & Eleanor (citing MCA2 v2p442 and RoyalAnc v3p381, though neither says there were two Elizabeths in that family).
Elizabeth De HUNTINGFIELD d/o Sir Roger De HUNTINGFIELD & Cicely De NORWICH d. After 1343 m. Before 1338 Richard FRAUNCEYS
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parents: Roger de HUNTINGFIELD & Eleanor ___ [Ref: Richardson MCA p450]
parents: Roger de HUNTINGFIELD & Eleanor ___ [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p382]
Sir Roger De HUNTINGFIELD & Eleanor m. Before 1313
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child: another daughter Elizabeth [Ref: Richardson MCA p450]
child: another daughter Elizabeth [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p382]
RoyalAnc v3p421 Kent 8 Edmund of Woodstock "… Children of Edmund of Woodstock, by Margaret Wake: … ii. Margaret of Kent … married after 4 April 1340 … Amanieu D'ALBRET … Amanieu D'ALBRET died before 1358 …"
Amanieu D'ALBRET died in 1401. See Neil Thompson, Ancestry of Charles II The Genealogist v11p190 and v19p65.
Amanjeu Sire Of Albret, Vicount Of Tartas s/o Bernard Ezy V Sire Of Albret & Mathe Of Armagnac [ES:III-152@810-522] b. Aug 1338 d. 1401 m. After 4 Apr 1340 Margaret Of Kent m2. 4 May 1368 Marguerite Of Bourbon
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date: before 1358 (date of his fathers 2nd testament) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p421]
RoyalAnc v3p491 Lancaster 10 Blanche of LANCASTER "… subsequently married at Reading, Berkshire 13 May 1359 (by dispensation dated 6 Jan 1359, they being related in the 3rd and 4th degree of kindred) John of GAUNT, K.G. …"
This marriage was on 19 May 1359, as given in CP IV p204, CP VII p378, CP VII p411, CP VII p688, Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v22p101, and numerous other places.
John Of Gaunt K.G., Duke of Lancaster & Blanche Of Lancaster m. 19 May 1359 Reading
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date: 13 May 1359 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p490]
RoyalAnc v3p496 Lancaster 10 Blanche of LANCASTER "… Children of John of Gaunt, K.G., by Blanche of Lancaster: i. Philippe of Lancaster (or Filipa de Lencastre), … married at Oporto 11 Feb 1387 (by dispensation dated 27 Jan 1391, he having formerly been a member of the order of Calacrava and master of its house in Aviz) Joao I, King of Portugal and the Algarve, …"
This marriage was on 11 Nov 1387, as given in Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II The Genealogist v11p71.
John I King Of Portugal & Philippa PLANTAGENET m. 11 Nov 1387 Porto
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date: 11 Feb 1387 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p496]
RoyalAnc v3p498 Lancaster 10 Blanche of LANCASTER "… Child of John of Gaunt, K.G., by Constance of Castile: i. Katherine (or Catalina) of Lancaster, … married Enrique III el Doliente, King of Castile and Leon, … died 25 Dec 1406"
Henry III King of Castile died 23 Dec 1406, as given Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v5p231.
Henry III King Of Castile s/o John I King Of Castille & Eleanor Of Aragon [ES:II-65] b. 4 Oct 1378 Burgos d. 23 Dec 1406 Toledo u. Toledo m. Dec 1393 Madrid Catherine Of Lancaster
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date: 25 Dec 1406 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p498]
RoyalAnc v3p559 Leicester 7 Robert de BRETEUIL, Knt "… married before 1155/59 Pernel de GRANDMESNIL, daughter of Hugh de GRANDMESNIL, of Hinckley, Leicestershire."
Pernel was daughter of William de GRANDMESNIL, half-brother of Hugh, both sons of Robert de GRANDMESNIL who d.1136. Her father is given in Chris Phillips CP corrections to Leicester (CP VII p532), and a posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 8/9/1999. This also appears in Keats-Rohan's DomesdayPeople p263, and RoyalAnc v4p438 (with a cross-references to Leicester 7).
Petronilla De GRANTMESNIL d/o William De GRANTMESNIL & [ES:III-697] d. 1 Apr 1212 m. Abt 1155 Sir Robert De BEAUMONT, Earl Of Leicester
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father: Hugh de GRANTMESNIL [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p559]
Hugh De GRANTMESNIL & (unk-wife) m.
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child: Petronilla wife of Sir Robert de BEAUMONT [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p559]
RoyalAnc v3p608 Longespee 5 Ela of SALISBURY "… Children of William Longespee, Knt, by Ela of Salisbury: … viii Ela LONGESPEE, married Thomas of WARWICK, Knt, 6th Earl of Warwick, son and heir of Henry, 5th Earl of Warwick, by his 1st wife, Margery, daughter of Henry d'Oilly."
Thomas was son of Henry, 5th Earl of Warwick, by Philippe, daughter of Thomas BASSET. This appears in Rosie Bevan's Domesday Descendants Corrections, p621, Chris Philipps Complete Peerage corrections, vol XII/2, and Rosie Bevan's posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 5/31/2003. Note that Margery d'Oilly was Henry of Warwick's mother, not his wife.
Thomas De NEWBURGH, Earl Of Warwick s/o Henry De NEWBURGH, Earl Of Warwick & Philippe BASSET [CP:XII/2-365, ES:III-704] b. Abt 1208 d. 26 Jan 1242 u. St Marys, Warwick m. 1 Ela LONGSPEE
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mother: Margaret de Oilly [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p608]
Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick & Margery De OILLY m. 1
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names: Henry de NEWBURGH Earl of Warwick & Margaret de OILLY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p608]
child: (of Margaret) Thomas de NEWBURGH Earl of Warwick [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p608]
Henry De NEWBURGH, Earl Of Warwick & (unk-wife) m.
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date: first marriage of Henry [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p608]
names: Henry de NEWBURGH Earl of Warwick & Margaret de OILLY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p608]
RoyalAnc v3p616 Longford 13 Nicholas LONGFORD and Longford 14 Alice LONGFORD
This is a broken link in this line. Rosie Bevan's posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 8/2/2004 "The Longford study attempts to give as full and accurate a family history as possible and this involved an exercise in straightening out errors which occur for five consecutive generations in the Visitation pedigree. I used contemporary sources where possible but found no evidence for a marriage between Robert Neville and a Longford daughter, which I understand originates from two conflicting Visitation pedigrees, one of which is chronologically impossible. As such the connection should be considered unsupported and unproven." The article appeared in FMG v1 no 4 (2004).
Alice (De LONGFORD?) d/o m. 1402 Sir Robert NEVILLE
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parents: Nicholas LONGFORD & Margery SULNEY [Ref: Richardson MCA p517]
parents: Nicholas LONGFORD & Margery SULNEY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p616]
Sir Nicholas De LONGFORD & Margery SULNEY m. Before 1373
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child: Alice LONGFORD [Ref: Richardson MCA p517]
child: Alice LONGFORD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p616]
RoyalAnc v3p620 Lovaine 6 Margaret de VERE "married (1st) Henry de BEAUMONT, Knt, 3rd Lord Beaumont, of Folkingham, Lincolnshire [see Beaumont 9 for issue of this marriage]. He died 13 June 1369."
Henry Lord Beaumont died 25 July 1369, as given in CP II p61 (with corr in XIV p78), CP IV p298, and RoyalAnc v1p311 (Beaumont 9).
Henry BEAUMONT, Lord Beaumont s/o John De BEAUMONT, Lord Beaumont, Earl Of Buch & Eleanor PLANTAGENET [CP:II-61, ES:III-685, AR:17-31] b. 1340 Brabant d. 25 Jul 1369 Stirling u. Sempringham Priory, Co Lincoln m. Before 15 Feb 1363 Margaret De VERE
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date: 13 Jun 1369 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p620]
RoyalAnc v3p623 Lovaine 7 Margaret LOVAINE "… She married (2nd) in or before 1398 Philip SAINT CLAIR, Knt, … son and heir of John SAINT CLAIR, Knt, … by his 1st wife, ___, granddaughter and in her issue heiress of James de AUDLEY (died about 1335), of Aston Chiverey (in Aston Clinton), Buckinghamshire, and Horseheath Hall, Cambridgeshire, by Margaret, daughter of William de Bereford, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas."
Philip SAINT CLAIR was son of John SAINT CLAIR by his first wife Margaret PHILIPOT. This is given in Roskell's History of Parliament 1386-1421 v4p277 (entry for Thomas ST CLER, brother of Philip).
Sir John St CLERE & Margaret PHILIPOT m. 2
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date: first marriage of John [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p623]
names: John St CLAIR & ___ granddaughter and heiress of James de AUDLEY and Margaret dau of William de Bereford [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p623]
RoyalAnc v3p669 Lumley 9 Hugh de MORWICK, Knt "… He married Juliane ___. They had four daughters, Sibyl, Tiphaine, Beatrice (wife of John de Roseles), and Margery (nun of Holy Trinity de Bosco)."
The wife of Hugh MORWICK, and mother of his four daughters, was Agnes de HEYFORD. See MacEwen, Andrew B W, John P Ravilious and Rosie Bevan, Gang Warily! Juliana de Reveley and the Randolphs: A Cautionary Tale, in Foundations for Medieval Genealogy vol 8 (2016) pp33-51. Available at academia.edu and at Foundations.
Tiphaine De MOREWICK d/o Sir Hugh De MOREWICK, Baron Of Chevington & Agnes De HEYFORD b. 13 Jan 1253/4 d. Abt 28 Aug 1315 m. Before 26 Apr 1269 John De BULMER
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mother: Juliane ___ [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p669]
Sibilla De MOREWICK d/o Sir Hugh De MOREWICK, Baron Of Chevington & Agnes De HEYFORD b. 1247 d. 26 Jul 1298 u. Friars Minor, Newcastle m. Before 1268 Sir Roger De LUMLEY m2. Before 6 Jul 1283 Sir Laurence De St MAUR
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mother: Juliane ___ [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p669]
Margery De MOREWICK d/o Sir Hugh De MOREWICK, Baron Of Chevington & Agnes De HEYFORD b. Abt 1250 d. After 1273
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mother: Juliane ___ [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p669]
Beatrice De MOREWICK d/o Sir Hugh De MOREWICK, Baron Of Chevington & Agnes De HEYFORD b. 24 Mar 1257/8 d. 20 May 1293 m. Before 1273 John De ROSELES
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mother: Juliane ___ [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p669]
Sir Hugh De MOREWICK, Baron Of Chevington & Agnes De HEYFORD m. Abt 1242
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names: Hugh de MOREWICK & Juliane ___ [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p669]
RoyalAnc v3p687 Mackworth 13 Richard MACKWORTH "… His widow, Dorothy, married (2nd) before 1620 Adam OTLEY (or OTTLEY), Gent, of London, 5th son of Adam OTLEY, of Pitchford, Shropshire, by Katherine, daughter of John MACKWORTH."
Adam OTTLEY was son of Richard OTTLEY, not Adam. See p158 of Nat Taylor's article, Mackworths of Shropshire, 2021, in The Genealogist v35 no 1 pp100-26, and v35 no 2 pp157-91.
Richard OTTLEY s/o u. 20 Apr 1606 Pitchford, Salop m. Katherine MACKWORTH
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name: Adam [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p687]
RoyalAnc v4p14 Mallory 10 Robert de UMFREVILLE, Knt "… died testate 12 April 1325, and was buried…"
death date 30 Mar 1325 given in Scoots Peerage I p168 (with corrections from IX p11). CP gives Mar 1325. CP I p149(d) notes that the Obituary of Newminster, where it says he died "secunds idus Apr" but this is a mistake, for the escheator seized his lands into the King's hand on 30 Mar.
Robert De UMFREVILLE, Earl Of Angus s/o Gilbert De UMFREVILLE, Earl Of Angus & Elizabeth COMYN [CP:I-149, AR:121D-31, AR:224-31, MC:108-5] b. Abt 1277 d. 30 Mar 1325 u. Newminster Abbey, Northumberland m. Abt 2 Sep 1303 Lucy De KYME m2. Before 1324 Eleanor De MONTFICHET
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date: 12 Apr 1325 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p14]
RoyalAnc v4p46 Marshal 3 William MARSHAL, Knt "… Children of William Marshal, Knt, by Isabel de Clare: … iv. Walter MARSHAL, Knt, 8th Earl of Pembroke, … died at Goodrich Castle, Herefordshire 24 Nov 1245, …"
Walter MARSHAL died before 12 Mar 1244/5, CP X p375 (with corr in XIV p521).
Sir Walter MARSHALL, Earl Of Pembroke s/o Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke & Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke [CP:X-374] b. After 1198 d. Before 12 Mar 1244/5 Goodrich Castle u. Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire m. 6 Jan 1241/2 Margaret De QUINCY, Heiress Of Lincoln
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date: 24 Nov 1245 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p46]
RoyalAnc v4p46 Marshal 3 William MARSHAL, Knt "… Children of William Marshal, Knt, by Isabel de Clare: … iv. Walter MARSHAL, Knt, 8th Earl of Pembroke, … married 6 Jan 1421/2 Margaret (or Margery) de QUINCY … Margaret, Countess of Lincoln and Pembroke, died at Hampstead, Middlesex shortly before 30 March 1266, and was buried near her father in the Church of the Hospitallers, Clerkenwell, Middlesex."
The burial place of Robert de QUINCY has conflicting information in CP, XII/2 p751(d) says Brackley, and VII p680 says Clerkenwell.
Robert De QUINCEY s/o Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret & Margaret BEAUMONT [CP:XII/2-751, ES:III-708, AR:54-28] b. 1 d. 1217 u. Brackley m. Abt 1197 Hawise Of Chester, Countess Of Lincoln
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place: church of the Hospitallers at Clerkenwell [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p46]
RoyalAnc v4p48 Marshal 4 Joan MARSHAL "married … Warin de MUNCHENSY … He married (2nd) … Denise de ANESTY, … She died shortly before 23 May 1304, and was buried in the church of the Grey Friars, Loncon."
CP IX p422 originally said she was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars, London, but that text was removed in the corrections in XIV p493.
Denise De ANESTY d/o Nicholas De ANESTY & Alice De PECCHE d. Abt 23 May 1304 m. 1 Walter LANGTON m2. Abt 1235 Sir Warin De MUNCHENSY, Baron Of Swanscombe m3. Before 4 Jun 1260 Robert Le BOTELER
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place: church of the Grey Friars, London [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p48]
RoyalAnc v4p54 Marshal 5 Joan de MUNCHENSY "… Children of William de Valence, Knt, by Joan de Munchensy: … iv. Agnes de VALENCE. … Agnes married (3rd) Jean D'AVESNES … Jean D'AVESNES died 17 Feb 1279,"
CP X p16 says he died in 1283. No GEN-MEDIEVAL discussion about a correction here.
John D'AVESNES, Seigneur De Beaumont s/o Baldwin De AVESNES & Felicite De Coucy b. 2 d. 1283 u. Choir of the Dominicans in Valenciennes m. After 1271 Agnes De VALENCE
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date: 17 Feb 1279 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p54]
RoyalAnc v4p60 Martin 10 William MARTIN (or MARTYN), Knt "… Children of William Martin, Knt, by Eleanor Fitz Reynold: … ii. William MARTIN, 2nd Lord Martin, … married Margaret de HASTINGS, daughter of John de HASTINGS, Knt, 1st Lord Hastings, by his 1st wife, Isabel, daughter of William de Valence, Knt."
Margaret Hastings was dau of John Hastings by his 2nd wife Isabel Despenser, according to CP VIII p538, and CP XII/2 p433. Richardson posted a large Hastings family tree to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 12/14/2008 ("Revised Hastings Pedigree"), without any sources cited for the CP-discrepancies. Long discussion, generally ignored the pedigree.
Margaret HASTINGS d/o Sir John De HASTINGS, Lord Hastings & Isabel DESPENSER d. 7 Jul 1359 m. 1 William MARTIN, Lord Martin m2. 19 May 1326 Marlborough, Wiltshire Robert De WATEVILLE, Lord Wateville
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mother: Isabel de VALENCE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p60]
Sir John De HASTINGS, Lord Hastings & Isabel De VALENCE m. Abt 15 Jul 1275 Braxted, Essex
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child: Margaret [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p60]
RoyalAnc v4p97 Moels 13 William de BOTREAUX, Knt "… married Elizabeth de SAINT LOE, … His wife, Elizabeth, died 14 Sept 1389."
Elizabeth St LO died before 7 Dec 1411, as given in CP II p243 (with corr in XIV p103).
Elizabeth St LO d/o Sir John St LO & Margaret CLYVEDON b. 4 d. Before 7 Dec 1411 m. William BOTREAUX, Lord Botreaux
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date: 14 Sep 1389 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p97]
RoyalAnc v4p149 Morley 6 Cecily D'AUBIGNEY ", married Roger de MOHAUT (or MONTALT), Knt, … Sir Roger de MOHAUT died 18 June 1260."
Roger died 28 Jun 1260 as given in CP IX p13.
Roger De MOHAUT, Steward Of Chester s/o Roger De MOHAUT, Steward Of Chester & Nichole [CP:IX-12] d. 28 Jun 1260 m. Cecily D'AUBIGNY
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date: 18 Jun 1260 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p149]
RoyalAnc v4p153 Morley 10 William de MORLEY, Knt "… married … Cecily BARDOLF, daughter of Thomas BARDOLF, Knt, 2nd Lord Bardolf, of Wormegay, Norfolk, by Agnes, said to be daughter of William de GRANDISON (or GAUNSON), Knt, 1st Lord Grandison."
Agnes wife of Thomas Bardolf was (CP I p418 as corrected by XIV p64) "he m. Agnes, perhaps a grandson[bad correction??? maybe should say "a Grandison"](a). He d. 15 Dec 1329" Note(a) revised to say (at end) "seems unlikely to have been da of William Seigneur of Grandison by Blanche of Savoy, as suggested previously. See for example, [ES XI #154]" (but ES XI #154 says nothing about William and wife Blanche of Savoy, and Weis AR7 #257 still says WIlliam & Blanche and cites CP I 418). However, William Grandison, 1st Lord Grandison, had a daughter Agnes, who married John de Northwode (CP IX p756, CP VI p68 (with corr in XIV p348)). It seems very unlikely that there was a second daughter named Agnes, or that Agnes married both John de Northwode (before 1307) and Thomas Bardolf (certainly before 1313). Leaving her as "unknown parentage" seems best.
Agnes De GRANDSON d/o William De GRANDSON, Seigneur De Grandson & Blanche De SAVOIE d. 11 Dec 1357 Ruskington, Co Lincoln m. Sir Thomas BARDOLF, Lord Bardolf
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father: William de Grandison (or Graunson) 1st Lord Grandison [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p153]
Sir William De GRANDISON, Lord Grandison & Sibilla TREGOZE m. Abt 1285
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child: Agnes wife of Lord Bardolf [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p153]
RoyalAnc v4p161 Mortain 2 Agnes of MORTAIN "married Andre I de VITRE, … son and heir of Robert I de Bitre, seigneur of Vitre, by his 2nd wife, Bertha."
Robert I married twice, and both wives were named Bertha. But his children were by the first wife, Bertha of Craon, see ES III #719. See also Keats-Rohan DomesdayPeople p151 and p454.
Andre I De Vitre s/o Robert I Princeps Of Vitre & Bertha Dame De Craon [ES:XIV-136] d. After 1139 u. Vitre m. Before 1086 Agnes Of Mortain
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mother: Berthe second wife of Robert de Vitre [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p161]
Robert I Princeps Of Vitre & Berthe m. 2
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child: Andre de Vitre [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p161]
RoyalAnc v4p163 Mortain 4 Robert III de VITRE "… Children of Robert III de Vitre by Emma de DINAN: … ii. Maud de VITRE, married …Henry de POMEROY, of Berry Pomeroy, Devon, seigneur of La Pomerai in Normandy, son and heir of Henry de Pomeroy, of Berry Pomeroy, Devon, seigneur of La Pomerai in Normandy, by Rohese, daughter of Herert fitz Herbert."
Rohese, wife of Henry de POMEROY, was an illegitimate daughter of Henry I. See CP XI Appendix I p120, Keats-Rohan DomesdayDescendants p250, among many other sources.
Rohese d/o Henry I Beauclerc King Of England & Sibyl CORBET [ES:III-354, AR:195-26] d. Abt 1176 m. Before 1146 Henry De La POMERAI, Baron Of Berry Pomeroy
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father: Herbert fitz Herbert [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p163]
Herbert FITZHERBERT, Chamberlain & Milisendis m. Abt 1130
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child: Rohese [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p163]
RoyalAnc v4p203 Navarre 13 Charles II The Bad, King of Navarre "… born at Evreux 10 October 1331."
Birthdate of Charles II was 9/10 October 1332, as given by Neil Thompson, _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v10p73 (with corr in the 2012 book p129, which is unfortunately not shown online).
Charles II King Of Navarre, Count Of Evereux s/o Philip III King Of Navarre, Count Of Evereux & Joan Of France, Queen Of Navarre [ES:II-13, ES:III-298] b. Abt 9 Oct 1332 Evereux d. 1 Jan 1386/7 Pamplena u. Cathedral Church, Pamplona m. 12 Feb 1351/2 Vivier-En-Brie Joan Of France m2.
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date: 10 Oct 1331 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p203]
RoyalAnc v4p222 Nevers 6 Pierre of France "… They had five sons … and six daughters, Alix, Eustache (wife of Gauthier de Brienne, Guillaume de Champlitte, and Guillaume I, Count of Sancerre), …"
First husband of Eustache is shown in ES III #681 as Guillaume de Brienne. The entry on that chart for Gautier is "Gautier III, 1192 Cte de BRIENNE Thronpratendent v SIZILIEN Fst v TARENT, 1177 d. in Gefangenshaft b. VI 1205 buried Sta Maria delle Foce m. Melus 1200 Elvira (Albinia) v Lecce (Hauteville-Sizilien) d.nach 1216 T v Tankred Gf v L Kg v Sizilien (m.II Giacomo Sanscverino Cte di Tricarico; m.III Tigrino Palatino Cte di Toscanna)"
Guillaume Of Brienne, Lord Of Rameru & Eustachie Of Courtenay m. 1
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names: Gauthier de Brienne & Eustachie de Courtenay [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p222]
RoyalAnc v4p238 Neville 14 John NEVILLE, Knt "… Children of John Neville, Knt, by Elizabeth Holand: i. Ralph NEVILLE, Knt, 2nd Earl of Westmorland … He married (2nd) before Feb 1441/2 Margaret COBHAM, daughter and heiress of Reynold COBHAM, Knt, de jure 4th Lord Cobham of Sterborough, probably by Thomasine, daughter of Thomas CHIDIOCK."
Thomasine was daughter of Thomas FAUCONER, as given in CP III p355 (with corr in XIV p196). Also shown in Chris Phillips' CP++ Westmorland updating CP XII/2 p450.
Thomasine FAUCONER d/o Thomas FAUCONER & m. Sir Reynold COBHAM
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father: Sir Thomas CHIDEOCKE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p238]
RoyalAnc v4p325 Paulet 12 Hugh POYNINGS (or SAINT JOHN), Knt "… Sir Hugh POYNINGS died 26 Dec 1426."
Death date 26 Dec 1426 was CP XI p330 prior to corrections in XIV. That was corrected to say before 10 Feb 1427/8.
Sir Hugh POYNINGS s/o Thomas POYNINGS, Lord St John, Lord Poynings & Joan Le STRANGE [CP:X-668, CP:XI-329] b. Abt 1380 d. Before 10 Feb 1427/8 m. Before 10 Oct 1394 Elizabeth FERRERS m2. Abt 1408 Eleanor WELLES
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date: 26 Dec 1426 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p325]
RoyalAnc v4p344 Percy 3 William de PERCY "… He married (1st) before 1136 Alice (or Aliza, Adelida, Adelidis) De TONBRIDGE, daughter of Gilbert Fitz Richard (also styled de Clare and de Tonbridge), of Clare, Suffolk … by Alice, daughter of Hugues, seigneur of Clermont … [see Clare 2 for her ancestry]."
Adeliza de TONBRIDGE is shown as daughter of Richard FITZ GILBERT and Adeliza Le MESCHIN in Keats-Rohan DD p397 (with Rosie Bevan's corrections), and p631, Michael Altschul's _Baronial Family in Medieval Europe, the Clares_ chart#1, and ES III #710. CP X p348(e) is incorrect in stating "but the Alice, who m. William de Percy was probably his[Gilbert's] niece"
Adeliza De TUNBRIDGE d/o Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare & Adeliza Le MESCHIN [ES:III-156] d. After 1148 m. Before 1136 William De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe
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parents: Gilbert Fitz Richard & Adeliza De Clermont [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p344]
Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare & Adeliza De CLERMONT m. 1
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child: Alice de Tonbridge wife of William de Percy [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p344]
RoyalAnc v4p345 Percy 3 William de PERCY "… He married (2nd) … Sibyl de VALOINES, … was living in 1212. At her death, she was buried at Nun Appleton Priory, Yorkshire."
While numerous sources (including CP and Keats-Rohan DomesdayDescendants) show her burial at Nun Appleton Priory, John Watson showed this to be incorrect in his GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 1/7/2012
Sibyl De VALOGNES d/o Thebaud De VALOGNES & d. After 1212 m. 1 Robert De ROS, Baron Of Helmsley m2. Abt 1166 William De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe m3. Abt 1181 Ralph D'AUBIGNY
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place: Nun Appleton Priory [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p345]
RoyalAnc v4p373 Pierrepont 15 Ellen LONGFORD
Ellen LONGFORD is shown in Rosie Bevan's article "A Study of a Medieval Knightly Family: The Longfords of Derbyshire" (Foundations of Medieval Genealogy, vol 1 no 4 (2004) pp211-231) (see p222, and also her GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 11/24/2002) to be daughter of Sir Nicholas LONGFORD by Margery SULNEY. Ellen should be Pierrepont 14, not Pierrepont 15.
Ellen De LONGFORD d/o Sir Nicholas De LONGFORD & Margery SULNEY d. After 28 Nov 1452 m. Sir Henry PIERREPONT
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parents: Nicholas LONGFORD & Alice [Ref: Richardson MCA p662]
parents: Nicholas LONGFORD & Alice [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p373]
Sir Nicholas De LONGFORD & Alice COKAYNE m. 1
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child: Ellen LONGFORD [Ref: Richardson MCA p662]
child: Ellen LONGFORD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p373]
RoyalAnc v4p651 Somerset 12 Edmund BEAUFORT "… They had four sons, Henry …, and six daughters, Margaret, Eleanor, Anne, Joan (or Jane), Elizabeth, and Isabel."
Edmund's daughter is usually shown as Mary, not Isabel. For example, Faris (Plantagenet Ancestry, second edition, 1999) p334, and Paget (Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales) p23.
Mary BEAUFORT d/o Edmund BEAUFORT, K.G., Duke of Somerset & Eleanor BEAUCHAMP [ES:III-157] d. 31 Oct 1453 u. St Michael's Chapel, Cathedral Church of Canterbury, Kent m. (Unk) BURGH
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name: Isabel [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p651]
RoyalAnc v4p665 Somerville 7 Isabel de ROOS "…Isabel died shortly before 7 May 1275."
Isabel survived her husband Adam, and was living 9 Dec 1280, as shown in CP V p185(a).
Isabel De ROS d/o Sir Robert De ROS, Baron Of Wark & d. After 9 Dec 1280 m. Before 1241 Roger De MERLAY, Baron Of Morpeth m2. Before May 1270 Sir Adam De EVERINGHAM
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date: shortly before 7 May 1275 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p665]
RoyalAnc v5p18 Stafford 10 Humphrey STAFFORD, Knt "… Sir Humphrey Stafford is said to have been slain on the Lancastrian side 22 May 1455 at the 1st Battle of St. Albans."
CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121 says he was living 17 Dec 1457, and presumably also on 19 Jan 1457/8 and died abt 1459. CP XII/2 p734(h) (with corr in XIV p121) also says he was living 17 Dec 1457 and presumably 19 Jan 1457/8. CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589) says he died abt 1458.
Hunphrey STAFFORD, Earl Of Stafford s/o Humphrey STAFFORD, K.G., Duke of Buckingham & Anne NEVILLE [CP:XII/1-182] b. 1 d. Abt 1458 St Albans m. 1 Margaret BEAUFORT
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date: 22 May 1455 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p18]
RoyalAnc v5p32 Stapleton 7 Ladrana (Laderina, Ladereyne) de BRUS "married John de BELLEW … They had two daughters, Sibyl (or Isabel) and Joan (wife of Henry FITZ AUCHER)."
The husband of Joan de BELEWE was Sir Aucher FITZ HENRY, 1st Lord Fitz Henry, as given in CP V p413.
Sir Aucher FITZ HENRY, Lord FitzHenry & Joan De BELEWE m.
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names: Henry Fitz AUCHER & Joan de BELEWE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p32]
RoyalAnc v5p56 Stradling 14 Thomas STRADLING "… He married Janet (or Jenett) MATHEW … His widow, Janet, died at Picton Castle in 1535, …"
Janet MATHEW died in 1485. This is given in Weis AR7 line 199A (citing Weis's article in TAG v32 pp11-12), and Faris Plantagenet Ancestry 2nd edition p290.
Janet MATHEW d/o Thomas MATHEW & d. 1485 u. Greyfriars, Carmarthen m. Abt 1474 Thomas STRADLING m2. After 1480 Sir Rhys AP THOMAS FITZURYAN, K.G.
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date: 1535 [Ref: Richardson PA p80]
date: 1535 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p56]
place: Picton Castle [Ref: Richardson PA p80]
place: Picton Castle [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p56]
RoyalAnc v5p61 Strange 4 Joan de SOMERY "married about 1253 John LE STRANGE, … They had one son … and two daughters, Margaret and Hawise."
CP V p290 originally said Hawise was dau of John LeSTRAUNGE of Knockin, Salop, by Joan, 2nd da of Sir Roger de SOMERY, of Dudley, co Worcester. Corrections in XIV p318 changed this to dau of John LESTRAUNGE, 1st Lord Strange of Knokin, by Alienore, da of Eble de MONTZ and widow of Stephen SOMERY [see STRANGE].
RoyanAnc seems to have missed the update to CP.
Hawise LESTRANGE d/o John V LESTRANGE, Lord Strange & Alienore De MONTZ d. After 16 May 1303 m. 1 Stephen SOMERY m2. 2 Sir Robert De FELTON, Lord Felton
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parents: John STRANGE & Joan SOMERY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p61]
John IV Le STRANGE & Joan De SOMERY m. Before 1254
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child: Hawise wife of Robert FELTON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p61]
RoyalAnc v5p69 Strangeways 10 Robert EURE and Strangeways 11 Elizabeth EURE
Douglas Richardson posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 10/20/2015 updates the parentage of Elizabeth EURE (matching CP II p418). See also posting by John Watson, earlier in that same thread, where he identifies two conflicting Elizabeths and separates the marriages into the two Elizabeths.
Elizabeth EURE d/o Robert EURE & Elizabeth MALLORY d. Abt 13 Mar 1481/2 u. Parish Church Of Upleatham, Co York m. Abt 28 Apr 1431 Sir William BULMER m2. After 1458 Sir James STRANGEWAYS
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parents: Robert EURE & Anne TEMPEST [Ref: Richardson MCA p791]
parents: Robert EURE & Anne TEMPEST [Ref: Richardson MCA2 v4p128]
parents: Robert EURE & Anne TEMPEST [Ref: Richardson PA p694]
parents: Robert EURE & Anne TEMPEST [Ref: Richardson PA p695]
parents: Robert EURE & Anne TEMPEST [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p69]
Robert EURE & Anne TEMPEST m.
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child: Elizabeth EURE [Ref: Richardson MCA p791]
child: Elizabeth EURE [Ref: Richardson MCA2 v4p128]
child: Elizabeth EURE [Ref: Richardson PA p694]
child: Elizabeth EURE [Ref: Richardson PA p695]
child: Elizabeth EURE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p69]
RoyalAnc v5p122 Talbot 14 John TALBOT, K.., 7th Lord Talbot "… He married (1st) Maud NEVILLE … He married (2nd) 6 Sept 1425 at Warwick Castle Margaret BEAUCHAMP, … They had three sons … and three daughters, Elizabeth, Eleanor, and Joan."
CP II p132 identifies Joan as daughter of John TALBOT & Maud NEVILLE (XIV p87 adds that Maud was elder daughter and heir of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival). Brad Verity 9/22/2004 on GEN-MEDIEVAL questions whether she was the daughter of Maud Neville or John's second wife Margaret Beauchamp, but draws no conclusions. RoyalAnc v1p337 and v5p122 and v5p125 makes her daughter of Margaret Beauchamp, but no justification for the CP correction.
Joan TALBOT d/o Sir John TALBOT, K.G., Earl Of Shrewsbury & Maude De NEVILLE, Baroness Furnivall m. Abt 25 Jul 1457 Sir James BERKELEY, Lord Berkeley m2. Before 26 May 1474 Edmund HUNGERFORD
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mother: Margaret BEAUCHAMP [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p122]
Sir John TALBOT, K.G., Earl Of Shrewsbury & Margaret BEAUCHAMP m. 6 Sep 1425 Warwick Castle
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child: Joan [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p122]
RoyalAnc v5p125 Talbot 14 John TALBOT, K.., 7th Lord Talbot "… Child of John Talbot, K.G., by Maud Neville: … Children of John Talbot, K.G., by Margaret Beauchamp: … iv. Joan TALBOT, married (1st) James BERKELEY, Knt, 6th Lord Berkeley, (2nd) Edmund HUNGERFORD, Esq."
CP II p132 identifies Joan as daughter of John TALBOT & Maud NEVILLE (XIV p87 adds that Maud was elder daughter and heir of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival). Brad Verity 9/22/2004 on GEN-MEDIEVAL questions whether she was the daughter of Maud Neville or John's second wife Margaret Beauchamp, but draws no conclusions. RoyalAnc v1p337 and v5p122 and v5p125 makes her daughter of Margaret Beauchamp, but no justification for the CP correction.
Joan TALBOT d/o Sir John TALBOT, K.G., Earl Of Shrewsbury & Maude De NEVILLE, Baroness Furnivall m. Abt 25 Jul 1457 Sir James BERKELEY, Lord Berkeley m2. Before 26 May 1474 Edmund HUNGERFORD
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mother: Margaret BEAUCHAMP [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p125]
Sir John TALBOT, K.G., Earl Of Shrewsbury & Margaret BEAUCHAMP m. 6 Sep 1425 Warwick Castle
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child: Joan [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p125]
RoyalAnc v5p125 Talbot 15 John TALBOT, K.G., 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury "… Sir John TALBOT, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, was slain with his brother, Sir Christopher Talbot, at the Battle of Northampton 10 July 1460 …"
Sir Christopher TALBOT died 10 Aug 1443 at Cause, Shropshire. This is given in Chris Phillips CP++ changes to Shrewsbury.
Sir Christopher TALBOT s/o Sir John TALBOT, K.G., Earl Of Shrewsbury & Maude De NEVILLE, Baroness Furnivall b. 2 d. 10 Aug 1443 Cause, Shropshire
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date: 10 Jul 1460 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p125]
place: Northampton [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p125]
RoyalAnc v5p157 Thweng 8 Robert De THWENG, Knt "… He married (2nd) allegedly Maud HANSARD, daughter of Robert HANSARD, Knt."
Maud HANSARD was daughter of Gilbert HANSARD. See Rosie Bevan's article "Keeping it in the Family: Sex Scandal and Rebellion in Baronial Cleveland", in Foundations of Medieval Genealogy, vol 5, no 1 (2013), pp3-36. See also Douglas Richardson's posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 4/25/2016.
Matilda HANSARD d/o Gilbert HANSARD & (Unk) m. After 1268 Sir Robert De THWENG
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father: Robert HANSARD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p157]
RoyalAnc v5p233 Valois 12 Philippe (VI) le Fortune, King of France "… His wife, Jeanne, died at Montargis (Loiret) 12 Dec 1349, …"
Joan of Burgundy died in Paris, according to Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v19p252. Also same is given in ES II #21 and ES II #22.
Joan Of Burgundy d/o Robert II Duke Of Burgundy & Agnes Of France [ES:II-21] b. 1293 d. 12 Dec 1348 Paris u. St Denis m. Jul 1313 Fontainebleau Philip VI King Of France
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place: Montargis (Loiret) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p233]
RoyalAnc v5p234 Valois 13 Jean (II) le Bon, King of France "… son and heir by his father's 1st marriage, born 26 April 1319."
Neil Thompson CharlesII v10-80 note 116: Anselme has 26 Apr, which is in error. The correct birthdate is 24 Apr 1319.
John II King Of France s/o Philip VI King Of France & Joan Of Burgundy [ES:II-22] b. 24 Apr 1319 Chateau De Gue-De-Maulin d. 8 Apr 1364 Savoy Hotel, London u. Abbey of Saint-Denis m. 28 Jul 1332 Melun (Seine-et-Marne) Judith Of Bohemia m2. 9 Feb 1350 Sainte-Gemme, Feucherolles (Yvelines) Jeanne Countess Of Auvergne
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date: 26 Apr 1319 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p234]
RoyalAnc v5p237 Valois 15 Charles (VI) le Fol [the Mad], King of France "… Children of Charles VI of France, by Isabeau of Bavaria: i. Charles (VII) le Victorieux [the Victorious], King of France, … married at Tours (Indre-et-Loire) 2 June 1422 Marie of Anjou…"
This marriage was in mid-April 1422, as given in Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v3p185. Also given by Casanovas _Les Ancetres D'Henri IV, 512 Quartiers_ p47.
Charles VII King Of France & Mary Of Anjou m. Apr 1422 Burges
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date: 2 Jun 1422 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p237]
RoyalAnc v5p248 Verdun 12 Margery de VERDUN "… Margery married (3rd) after Michaelmas term 1352 (date of lawsuit) and before 10 Sept 1355 (as his 1st wife) John de CROPHILL (or CROPHULL), Knt, of Sutton Bonnington, … son and heir of Thomas de CROPHILL."
John CROPHILL was son of Ralph de CROPHULL and Maud de PIPE, as given in Douglas Richardson's posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 8/29/2014.
Sir John CROPHULL s/o Ralph De CROPHULL & Maud De PIPE b. Abt 1322 d. 3 Jul 1383 Bosworth u. Gracedieu Priory, Leicestershire m. Before 1348 Margery De VERDON m2. 2 Joan
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father: Thomas CROPHILL [Ref: Richardson PA p248]
father: Thomas CROPHILL [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p248]
RoyalAnc v5p371 Wilton 10 Reynold de GREY, Knt, 4th Lord Grey of Wilton "… He married before 10 Jan 1327/8 Maud BOTETOURT, daughter of Thomas BOTETOURT, Knt, of Essex, Upton, Norfolk, and Great Bradley, Suffolk, by Joan, daughter of Roger de SOMERY, Knt."
Wife of Reynold de GREY was Maud De La VACHE, as given in CP VI p176 (with corr in XIV p356). This also appears in Wrottesley, _Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls_ p376, and William Page, Victoria County History of Buckinghamshire, vol 2 page 315 (where she is identified as brother of Matthew de la VACHE).
Maud De La VACHE d/o Sir Richard De La VACHE, K.G. & Amy d. 14 Sep 1391 Shirland, Derbyshire m. Before 10 Jan 1327/8 Sir Reynold De GREY, Lord Grey Of Wilton
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parents: Thomas BOTETORTE & Joan SOMERY [Ref: Richardson MCA2 v4p344]
parents: Thomas BOTETORTE & Joan SOMERY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p371]
Sir Thomas De BOTETOURTE & Joan De SOMERY m. Before 1318
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child: Maud wife of Reynold de GREY [Ref: Richardson MCA2 v4p344]
child: Maud wife of Reynold de GREY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p371]
RoyalAnc v5p422 Wydeville 10 Mahaut de CHATILLON "… married Guy de LUXEMBOURG, … Guy de LUXEMBOURG, Count of Saint-Pol, was slain at the Battle of Basweiler 28 August 1371, …"
Neil Thompson Ancestry of CharlesII, The Genealogist v17-63 note 196: Froissart gives the date of the battle as on a Friday of August, the eve of St Bartholomew's day, which would be 22 Aug.
Guy Count Of Ligny, And St. Pol s/o Jean I Count Of Ligny, And St. Pol & Alix Of Flanders [ES:I.2-231, ES:VI-28] d. 22 Aug 1371 Baseweiler m. Abt 1350 Beauvais Mathilde Of Chatillion
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date: 28 Aug 1371 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p422]