(Via Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry) Proposed corrections to Complete Peerage (15 volume set, published 1910-1998)
Douglas Richardson published his 5-volume Royal Ancestry series in 2013 and claimed numerous "Discoveries, Corrections, and Additions" (Volume 1 pages xxv-xxix) some of which were additional corrections to CP that had not been posted to the newsgroup/mailing list soc.genealogy.medieval/GEN-MEDIEVAL and discussed. Douglas Richardson's style for citations do not make it easy to verify them. It is not clear how many of these (if any) are truly corrections to CP, and how many of these are mistakes in Royal Ancestry.
CP I p22 Abergavenny XIII 1216 Reynold De Briouze "… He m. 2ndly, 1215, Gwladus Du, da. of Llewelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales, by his 2nd wife, Joan, illegit. da. of King John."
RoyalAnc v1p555 Briwerre 4 Grace BRIWERRE "… married (as his 1st wife) Reynold de BREWES (or BREUSE, BRAUSE, BRAOSE), Knt, of Kington, Herefordshire, … He married (2nd) in 1215 Gwladus Ddu of Wales, daughter of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales, by Joan, legitimated daughter of King John of England"
The mother of Gladys DHU is either Joan or Tangwystl, and most sources agree this far. CP++ (Abergavenny) gives both and says no clear contemporary evidence exists. Reitwiesner's article on Joan The Genealogist, vol 1 pp80-95 seems best source. His summary (page 85): WG (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies) gives Tangwystl, DNB (Distionary of National Biography) says it is unclear, MPW (Roderick, Marriage and Politics in Wales) and Baronage (Paget) give Joan, CP gives Joan, JPW (Walter Lee Sheppard, TAG v35p29-33, et seq) at first gives Joan, but at end of series (particularly TAG v41p122(1965)) gives Tangwystl. I go with Tangwystl.
Gladys DHU d/o Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales & Tangwystl Of Rhos [AR:27-28] d. 1251 Windsor, Berkshire u. Wigmore Abbey, Herefordshire m. 1215 Reginald De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber m2. Before 26 Oct 1230 Ralph MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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mother: Joan [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555]
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mother: either Joan or Tangwystl, no clear contemporary evidence [Ref: CP++(proposed) Abergavenny 12/31/2006 (CP I p22)]
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mother: Joan (#13331) [Ref: CP I p22]
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mother: Joan (#13331) [Ref: CP IX p276]
CP I p28 Abergavenny, Pedigree "Shewing the Owners of the Castle and Honour of Abergavenny (marked XVII to XXXV respectively), from 1273 to 1535"
XXV Richard, Earl of Warwick = Isabel Despenser
XXVI Henry, cr Duke of Warwick =
XXVIII Anne, da. & h., d. young 3 Jan 1448/9.
RoyalAnc v1p302 Beauchamp 13 Richard BEAUCHAMP, K.G., K.B., 13th Earl of Warwick "… Children of Richard Beauchamp K.G. by Isabel le Despenser: Henry (or Harry) Beauchamp, Knt, 14th Earl of Warwick … Child of Henry Beauchamp, Knt, by Cecily Neville: Anne BEAUCHAMP … died without issue 3 June 1449."
Her death date is given as "3 Jan 1448/9" in CP I p28 and CP II p428 (with correction in CP XIV p125), and CP XII/2 p384. Her death date is (incorrectly) given as "3 Jun 1449" in CP IV p282, with "For fuller particulars see Warwick, Earldom of" which has the 3 Jan 1448/9 date.
Anne BEAUCHAMP, Countess Of Warwick d/o Henry BEAUCHAMP, Duke Of Warwick & Cecily NEVILLE [CP:II-428, CP:IV-282, CP:XII/2-384] b. Abt 13 Feb 1443/4 Cardiff d. 3 Jan 1448/9 Ewelme, Oxon u. Reading Abbey
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date: 3 Jun 1449 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p302]
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date: [Ref: CP I p28]
date: [Ref: CP II p428 (with corr in XIV p125)]
date: [Ref: CP XII/2 p384]
date: 3 Jun 1449 [Ref: CP IV p282]
CP I p33 Abergavenny V 1492 5. George (NEVILL), Lord Bergavenny "… He m. 2ndly, before 21 Dec 1495 (corr in XIV p7), Margaret, da. of William BRENT, of Charing, Kent, "gentleman." by Ann or Amy, da. and coh. of William ROSMODERES of Cornwall (corr in XIV p7)."
RoyalAnc v1p324 Bergavenny 16 George NEVILLE, K.G., K.B., Lord Bergavenny "… He married (2nd) before 5 Sept 1513 Margaret BRENT, daughter of John Brent, Gent., of Charing, Kent".
CP I p33 identified Margaret as daughter of William BRENT, of Charing, Kent. Corrections in CP XIV p7 to CP I p33 added the identification of Margaret's mother, as "Anne or Amy, daughter and coheir of William ROSMODERES of Cornwall." Margaret's father was correctly identified in Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry p75.
Margaret BRENT d/o William BRENT & Anne ROSMODERES d. After 3 Aug 1516 m. Before 5 Sep 1513 George NEVILLE, K.G., Lord Abergavenny
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father: John BRENT, Gent, of Charing, Kent [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p324]
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parents: [Ref: CP I p33 (with corr in XIV p7)]
CP I p81 Albany 1456? 1. Alexander STEWART "… He m., 2ndly (cont. 16 Jan. 1478/9, in France, Anne, da. of Bertrand DE LA TOUR, COUNT of BOULOGNE … She d. 13 Oct. 1512, at La Rochette afsd [in Savoy], and was bur. with him [in the Carmelite Monastery]."
RoyalAnc v1p664 Brus 16 James II of Scotland "… Children of James II of Scotland by Mary of Guelders: … ii. Alexander STEWART … married (2nd) Anne de la TOUR … She died at La Rochette in Savoy 15 October 1512 …"
She died 13 Oct 1512, as given in CP I p81, which corrects SP I p153.
Anne De La TOUR d/o Bertrand De La TOUR, Count Of Boulogne & Louise Of Tremoille b. 3 d. 13 Oct 1512 La Rochette, Savoy u. Carmelite Monestery, Savoy m. 19 Jan 1478/9 France Alexander STEWART, Duke Of Albany m2. Abt 15 Feb 1486/7 Louis De La Chambre, Count Of La Chambre
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date: 15 Oct 1512 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p664]
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date: 15 Oct 1512 [Ref: SP I p153]
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date: [Ref: CP I p81]
CP I p149 Angus Earldom [S] IX Earldom [E] II 1307. 9 and 2. Robert (De UMFREVILLE), Earl of Angus[S] and Lord Umfreville[E] "… He d. Mar. 1325, and was bur. In the Abbey of Newminster."
RoyalAnc v1p595 Brus 6 Robert De BRUS, known as the Competitor, or the Claimant "… Children of Isabel de Clare, by Robert de Brus, Knt: … iv. Isabel de BRUS, marrried John FITZ MARMADUKE, Knt … Children of Isabel de Brus, by John Fitz Marmaduke, Knt: a. Richard FITZ MARMADUKE, Knt, … His widow, Eleanor, married (as his 2nd wife) Robert de UMFREVILLE, Knt, Earl of Angus, … died testate 12 Apr 1325"
RoyalAnc v4p14 Mallory 10 Robert de UMFREVILLE, Knt "… died testate 12 April 1325, and was buried…"
death date 30 Mar 1325 given in Scoots Peerage I p168 (with corrections from IX p11). CP gives Mar 1325. CP I p149(d) notes that the Obituary of Newminster, where it says he died "secunds idus Apr" but this is a mistake, for the escheator seized his lands into the King's hand on 30 Mar.
Robert De UMFREVILLE, Earl Of Angus s/o Gilbert De UMFREVILLE, Earl Of Angus & Elizabeth COMYN [CP:I-149, AR:121D-31, AR:224-31, MC:108-5] b. Abt 1277 d. 30 Mar 1325 u. Newminster Abbey, Northumberland m. Abt 2 Sep 1303 Lucy De KYME m2. Before 1324 Eleanor De MONTFICHET
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date: 12 Apr 1325 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p595]
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date: [Ref: SP I p168 (with corr in IX p11)]
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date: Mar 1325 [Ref: CP I p149]
CP I p418 Bardolf II 1304. 2. Thomas (BARDOLF), Lord Bardolf, "… He m. Agnes, perhaps a grandson (corr in XIV p64)."
RoyalAnc v1p252 Bardolf 12 Thomas BARDOLF "… He married AGNES ___, said to be daughter of William de Grandison, Knt, 1st Lord Grandison."
RoyalAnc v4p153 Morley 10 William de MORLEY, Knt "… married … Cecily BARDOLF, daughter of Thomas BARDOLF, Knt, 2nd Lord Bardolf, of Wormegay, Norfolk, by Agnes, said to be daughter of William de GRANDISON (or GAUNSON), Knt, 1st Lord Grandison."
Agnes wife of Thomas Bardolf (CP I p418 as corrected by XIV p64) "he m. Agnes, perhaps a grandson[bad correction??? maybe should say "a Grandison"](a). He d. 15 Dec 1329." Note(a) revised to say (at end) "seems unlikely to have been da of William Seigneur of Grandison by Blanche of Savoy, as suggested previously. See for example, [ES XI #154]" (but ES XI #154 says nothing about William and wife Blanche of Savoy, and Weis AR7 #257 still says WIlliam & Blanche and cites CP I 418). However, William Grandison, 1st Lord Grandison, had a daughter Agnes, who married John de Northwode (CP IX p756, CP VI p68 (with corr in XIV p348)). It seems very unlikely that there was a second daughter named Agnes, or that Agnes married both John de Northwode (before 1307) and Thomas Bardolf (certainly before 1313). Leaving her as "unknown parentage" seems best.
Agnes De GRANDSON d/o William De GRANDSON, Seigneur De Grandson & Blanche De SAVOIE d. 11 Dec 1357 Ruskington, Co Lincoln m. Sir Thomas BARDOLF, Lord Bardolf
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father: William de Grandison (or Graunson) 1st Lord Grandison [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p252]
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father: William de Grandison (or Graunson) 1st Lord Grandison [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p153]
CP II p61 Beaumont Barony by Writ IV 1369. 4. John (BEAUMONT), Lord Beaumont "… He m. Catherine, da. and h. of Thomas EVERINGHAM, of Laxton, Notts."
RoyalAnc v1p313 Beaumont 10 John de BEAUMONT "… He married Katherine de EVERINGHAM, alleged daughter of Adam de Everingham, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham, of Laxton, Nottinghamshire, by Joan, daughter of John d'Eiville, Knt [see Everingham 9 for her ancestry]."
RoyalAnc v2p533 Everingham 09 Joan D'EIVILLE "… married before 16 May 1332 Adam de EVERINGHAM, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham, … They had three sons, William, Knt, Reginald, Knt, and allegedly George, and two daughters, Margaret and allegedly Katherine. … Chiuldren of Joan d'Eiville, by Adam de Everingham, Knt: … ii. Katherine de Everingham (alleged daughter), married John BEAUMONT, K.G., 4th Lord Beaumont [see BEAUMONT 10]."
RoyalAnc v3p360 Hungerford 12 Robert HUNGERFORD, Knt "… married … Margaret BOTREAUX, suo jure Lady Botreaux, daughter and heiress of William Botreaux, Knt, 3rd Lord Botreaux, by his 1st wife, Elizabeth, daughter of John de Beaumont, K.G., 4th Lord Beaumont, by Katherine de Everingham, alleged daughter of Adam de Everingham, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham"
RoyalAnc v4p97 Moels 14 William BOTREAUX, Knt "… He married (1st) before 14 Nov 1411 (date of his grandmother's will) Elizabeth BEAUMONT, daughter of John de BEAUMONT, K.G., 4th Lord Beaumont, by Katherine), daughter of Adam de EVERINGHAM, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham."
CP II p61 says John Beaumont m. Catherine dau and heir of Thomas Everingham, of Laxton, Notts. CP II p242 William Botreaux m. Elizabeth, dau of John Beaumont and Katherine dau of Thomas Everingham. CP XIV adds that she (Elizabeth) was living 20 Jul 1415, and no corrections regarding Katherine or Thomas.
Adam Everingham, 2nd Lord Everingham, held Laxton, Notts, like Thomas Everingham, father of Katherine did. How did Laxton get to Thomas??? Adam Lord Everingham had three sons (none named Thomas) and three daughters (none named Katherine), and one son (Reginald) survived his father. Reginald's only son died as a child; was Thomas the heir? Very little seems known, lots needing further research, but nothing supports a correction to CP.
Catherine EVERINGHAM d/o Thomas EVERINGHAM & d. Abt 1 Feb 1426/7 m. John BEAUMONT, K.G., Lord Beaumont
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p313]
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p533]
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p360]
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p97]
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father: [Ref: CP II p242]
father: [Ref: CP II p61]
CP II p61 Beaumont Barony by Writ III. 1342. 3. Henry (BEAUMONT), Lord Beaumont, "… He d. 25 Jul 1369 (with corr in XIV p78) and was buried in…"
Henry Lord Beaumont died 25 July 1369, as given in CP II p61 (with corr in XIV p78), CP IV p298, and RoyalAnc v1p311 (Beaumont 9).
RoyalAnc v3p620 Lovaine 6 Margaret de VERE "married (1st) Henry de BEAUMONT, Knt, 3rd Lord Beaumont, of Folkingham, Lincolnshire [see Beaumont 9 for issue of this marriage]. He died 13 June 1369."
Henry BEAUMONT, Lord Beaumont s/o John De BEAUMONT, Lord Beaumont, Earl Of Buch & Eleanor PLANTAGENET [CP:II-61, ES:III-685, AR:17-31] b. 1340 Brabant d. 25 Jul 1369 Stirling u. Sempringham Priory, Co Lincoln m. Before 15 Feb 1363 Margaret De VERE
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date: 13 Jun 1369 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p620]
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date: [Ref: CP II p61 (with corr in XIV p78)]
date: [Ref: CP IV p298]
CP II p132 Berkeley Barony by Writ I. 1421. 1. James (De BERKELEY), Lord Berkeley, "… He m., 4thly, (settl. 25 July 1457) Joan, da. of John (TALBOT), 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, by his 1st wife, Maud, elder da. and h. (with corr in XIV p87) of Thomas (NEVILL), Lord Furnival, which Joan was consequently step-da. of Margaret, Countess of Shrewsbury, abovenamed."
RoyalAnc v1p337 Berkeley 10 James BERKELEY "… He married (4th) by settlement dated 25 July 1457 Joan TALBOT, daughter of John TALBOT, K.G., 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, 7th Lord Talbot, by his 2nd wife Margaret, daughter of Richard BEAUCHAMP, K.G., K.B., Earl of Warwick, Lord Despenser and Lisle [see TALBOT 14 for her ancestry]".
RoyalAnc v5p122 Talbot 14 John TALBOT, K.., 7th Lord Talbot "… He married (1st) Maud NEVILLE … He married (2nd) 6 Sept 1425 at Warwick Castle Margaret BEAUCHAMP, … They had three sons … and three daughters, Elizabeth, Eleanor, and Joan."
RoyalAnc v5p125 Talbot 14 John TALBOT, K.., 7th Lord Talbot "… Child of John Talbot, K.G., by Maud Neville: … Children of John Talbot, K.G., by Margaret Beauchamp: … iv. Joan TALBOT, married (1st) James BERKELEY, Knt, 6th Lord Berkeley, (2nd) Edmund HUNGERFORD, Esq."
CP II p132 identifies Joan as daughter of John TALBOT & Maud NEVILLE (XIV p87 adds that Maud was elder daughter and heir of Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival). Brad Verity 9/22/2004 on GEN-MEDIEVAL questions whether she was the daughter of Maud Neville or John's second wife Margaret Beauchamp, but draws no conclusions. RoyalAnc v1p337 and v5p122 and v5p125 makes her daughter of Margaret Beauchamp, but no justification for the CP correction.
Joan TALBOT d/o Sir John TALBOT, K.G., Earl Of Shrewsbury & Maude De NEVILLE, Baroness Furnivall m. Abt 25 Jul 1457 Sir James BERKELEY, Lord Berkeley m2. Before 26 May 1474 Edmund HUNGERFORD
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mother: Margaret BEAUCHAMP [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p337]
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mother: Margaret BEAUCHAMP [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p122]
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mother: Margaret BEAUCHAMP [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p125]
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parents: [Ref: CP II p132]
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note: doubt about identity of her mother [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 9/22/2004-010244]
CP II p219 Bonville (of Chewton) Barony by Writ I. 1449. 1. William BONVILLE, "… He m. 2ndly, … Elizabeth, widow of John, Lord Harington (who d. 11 Feb. 1417/8), da. of Edward (COURTENAY), Earl of Devon, by Maud, da. of Thomas CAMOYS, 3rd Lord Camoys (with corr in XIV p98)."
RoyalAnc v1p434 Bonville 11 William BONVILLE, K.G., of Chewton and Sock Dennis, Somerset "… He married (2nd) before 9 October 1427 Elizabeth COURTENAY, widow of John Harrington, Knt, 4th Lord Harrington (died 11 Feb 1417/8), and daughter of Edward Courtenay, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, by Maud, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt".
RoyalAnc v2p70 Camoys 7 John de CAMOYS "… Children of John de Camoys, Knt, by Elizabeth le Latimer: … ii. Maud CAMOYS, married Edward COURTENAY, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, 4th Lord Courtenay [see Courtenay 8.i]."
RoyalAnc v2p331 Courtenay 8 Edward de COURTENAY, Knt "… Children of Edward de Courtenay, Knt, by Emeline Dauney: i. Edward Courtenay, Knt, … He married before 31 May 1383 Maud CAMOYS, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt, of Gressenhall, Norfolk, by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, daughter of William le Latimer, 3rd Lord Latimer."
RoyalAnc v3p221 Harington 12 Robert HARINGTON "… Children of Robert Harington, K.B., by Isabel Loring: i. John HARINGTON, Knt, 4th Lord Harington … married Elizabeth COURTENAY, daughter of Edward Courtenay, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, by Maud, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt [see Courtenay 8.i for her ancestry]."
Maud was daughter of Thomas Camoys, 3rd Lord Camoys, and Elizabeth Louches. So says CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98), CP IV p325, and CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368). Also says Roskell HoP v2p284 (entry for Sir William Bonville). Also Faris PA2 p37. Also Richardson PA p127 and p240.
But then there is Douglas Richardson's GEN-MEDIEVAL posting on 12/23/2006, which raises questions about Maud's parentage, but offers no solutions, and led to no discussion. This was hardly a proposed correction to CP. So no changes.
Maud CAMOYS d/o Thomas CAMOYS, K.G., Lord Camoys & Elizabeth LOUCHES m. Before 1382/3 Edward COURTENAY, Earl Of Devon
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father: John CAMOYS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p434]
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parents: John CAMOYS & Elizabeth LATIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p70]
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parents: John CAMOYS & Elizabeth LATIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p331]
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father: John CAMOYS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p221]
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parents: [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 12/23/2003-023451]
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father: [Ref: CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98)]
father: [Ref: CP IV p325]
father: [Ref: CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368)]
CP II p242 Botreaux III. 1395. 3. William (De BOTREAUX), Lord Botreaux, "… He m., 1stly, before 1411, Elizabeth, da. of John, Lord Beaumont, by Katharine, da. of Thomas EVERINGHAM, of Laxton, Notts. She was living July 1415 (corr in XIV p103)."
CP II p61 says John Beaumont m. Catherine dau and heir of Thomas Everingham, of Laxton, Notts. CP II p242 William Botreaux m. Elizabeth, dau of John Beaumont and Katherine dau of Thomas Everingham. CP XIV adds that she (Elizabeth) was living 20 Jul 1415, and no corrections regarding Katherine or Thomas.
Adam Everingham, 2nd Lord Everingham, held Laxton, Notts, like Thomas Everingham, father of Katherine did. How did Laxton get to Thomas??? Adam Lord Everingham had three sons (none named Thomas) and three daughters (none named Katherine), and one son (Reginald) survived his father. Reginald's only son died as a child; was Thomas the heir? Very little seems known, lots needing further research, but nothing supports a correction to CP.
RoyalAnc v1p313 Beaumont 10 John de BEAUMONT "… He married Katherine de EVERINGHAM, alleged daughter of Adam de Everingham, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham, of Laxton, Nottinghamshire, by Joan, daughter of John d'Eiville, Knt [see Everingham 9 for her ancestry]."
RoyalAnc v2p533 Everingham 09 Joan D'EIVILLE "… married before 16 May 1332 Adam de EVERINGHAM, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham, … They had three sons, William, Knt, Reginald, Knt, and allegedly George, and two daughters, Margaret and allegedly Katherine. … Chiuldren of Joan d'Eiville, by Adam de Everingham, Knt: … ii. Katherine de Everingham (alleged daughter), married John BEAUMONT, K.G., 4th Lord Beaumont [see BEAUMONT 10]."
RoyalAnc v3p360 Hungerford 12 Robert HUNGERFORD, Knt "… married … Margaret BOTREAUX, suo jure Lady Botreaux, daughter and heiress of William Botreaux, Knt, 3rd Lord Botreaux, by his 1st wife, Elizabeth, daughter of John de Beaumont, K.G., 4th Lord Beaumont, by Katherine de Everingham, alleged daughter of Adam de Everingham, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham"
RoyalAnc v4p97 Moels 14 William BOTREAUX, Knt "… He married (1st) before 14 Nov 1411 (date of his grandmother's will) Elizabeth BEAUMONT, daughter of John de BEAUMONT, K.G., 4th Lord Beaumont, by Katherine), daughter of Adam de EVERINGHAM, Knt, 2nd Lord Everingham."
CP II p61 says John Beaumont m. Catherine dau and heir of Thomas Everingham, of Laxton, Notts. CP II p262 William Botreaux m. Elizabeth, dau of John Beaumont and Katherine dau of Thomas Everingham. CP XIV adds that she (Elizabeth) was living 20 Jul 1415, and no corrections regarding Katherine or Thomas.
Adam Everingham, 2nd Lord Everingham, held Laxton, Notts, like Thomas Everingham, father of Katherine did. How did Laxton get to Thomas??? Adam Lord Everingham had three sons (none named Thomas) and three daughters (none named Katherine), and one son (Reginald) survived his father. Reginald's only son died as a child; was Thomas the heir? Very little seems known, lots needing further research, but nothing supports a correction to CP.
Catherine EVERINGHAM d/o Thomas EVERINGHAM & d. Abt 1 Feb 1426/7 m. John BEAUMONT, K.G., Lord Beaumont
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p313]
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p533]
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p360]
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parents: (alleged to be) Adam de EVERINGHAM Lord Everingham & Joan DEIVILLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p97]
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father: [Ref: CP II p242]
father: [Ref: CP II p61]
CP II p243 Botreaux II. 1391. 2. William (De BOTREAUX), Lord Botreaux, "… He m. Elizabeth, da. and coh. of Sir John St. LO, of Newton St. Lo, Wilts, … His widow d. by 7 Dec 1411 (corr in XIV p103),"
RoyalAnc v4p97 Moels 13 William de BOTREAUX, Knt "… married Elizabeth de SAINT LOE, … His wife, Elizabeth, died 14 Sept 1389."
Elizabeth St LO died before 7 Dec 1411, as given in CP II p243 (with corr in XIV p103).
Elizabeth St LO d/o Sir John St LO & Margaret CLYVEDON b. 4 d. Before 7 Dec 1411 m. William BOTREAUX, Lord Botreaux
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date: 14 Sep 1389 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p97]
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date: before 7 Dec 1411 [Ref: CP II p243 (with corr in XIV p103)]
CP II p358 Brus. 1. Sir Robert de BRUS "… He suc. His father in 1245, and his mother in 1251-2."
RoyalAnc v1p588 Brus 5 Isabel of HUNTINGDON "… married Robert de BRUS, Knt, Lord of Annandale in Scotland, … died before 23 Jan 1225/6"
Death date of Robert de BRUS is given in CP II p358 and SP II p430 as 1245.
Robert De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale s/o William De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale & Christina [ES:II-92] b. 1 d. 1245 u. Saltre Abbey, Stilton m. Isabella Of Huntingdon
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date: before 23 Jan 1225/6 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p588]
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date: before 23 Jan 1225/6 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p589]
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date: [Ref: CP II p358]
CP II p360 Brus II. 1304 to 1306. 3. Robert De BRUS, Earl of Carrick [S], "… b. 11 July 1274, at Writtle, Essex, …"
RoyalAnc v1p605 Brus 8 Robert de BRUS "… born in Scotland, probably in Turnberry Castle in Carrick, 11 July 1274."
Neil Thompson's Ancestry of Charles II The Genealogist v24p110 also says "probably at Turnberry Castle". However, CP II p360 and CP III p56 both state that he was born at Writtle, Essex, as does SP I p7, William Addams Reitwiesner's article on Joan, and Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry p171.
Robert De BRUS, King Of Scots s/o Sir Robert De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, Lord Of Annand & Margaret Of Carrick, Countess Of Carrick [CP:II-360, CP:III-56, ES:II-92, AR:252-30] b. 11 Jul 1274 Writtle, Essex d. 7 Jun 1329 Cardross, Scotland u. Dunfermline m. m2. m3. Abt 1295 Isabel Of Mar m4. 1302 Elizabeth De BURG
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place: probably at Turnberry Castle [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p605]
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place: [Ref: SP I p7]
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place: [Ref: CP II p360]
place: [Ref: CP III p56]
CP II p375 Buchan VII 1290 to 13098. 7. John (COMYN), Earl of Buchan [S], "… He m. Isabel, da. of Duncan, Earl of Fife[S]."
RoyalAnc v2p4 Buchan 8 Elizabeth (or Isabel) de QUINCY "… Children of Elizabeth (or Isabel) de Quincy, by Alexander Comyn, Knt: i. John COMYN, Knt, … He married Isabel of Fife, daughter of Colban, Earl of Fife, by Anne, daughter and co-heiress of Alan Durward, Knt."
Isabel's parents were Duncan, Earl of Fife, and Joan de CLARE, as given in SP IV p11, and (father only) in CP II p375.
Isabel Of Fife d/o Duncan MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife & Joan De CLARE d. After Apr 1313 m. 2 John COMYN, Earl Of Buchan
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parents: Colban Earl of Fife & Anne DURWARD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p4]
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parents: [Ref: SP IV p11]
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father: [Ref: CP II p375]
CP II p389 Buckingham Earldom V 1438 Dukedom I 1444. 2 and 1. Humphrey (STAFFORD), Earl of Stafford &c, "… [Humphrey STAFFORD, styled Earl of Stafford, s. and h. ap. … He was wounded fighting (with corr in XIV p121) on the Lancastrian side at the first battle of St. Albans, 22 May 1453. He, who was living 17 Dec 1457 and (presumably) 19 Jan 1457/8, d.v.p circa 1459 (with corr in XIV p121)."
also CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121), CP XII/2 p734(h), CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589)
RoyalAnc v5p18 Stafford 10 Humphrey STAFFORD, Knt "… Sir Humphrey Stafford is said to have been slain on the Lancastrian side 22 May 1455 at the 1st Battle of St. Albans."
CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121 says he was living 17 Dec 1457, and presumably also on 19 Jan 1457/8 and died abt 1459. CP XII/2 p734(h) also says he was living 17 Dec 1457 and presumably 19 Jan 1457/8. CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589) says he died abt 1458.
Hunphrey STAFFORD, Earl Of Stafford s/o Humphrey STAFFORD, K.G., Duke of Buckingham & Anne NEVILLE [CP:XII/1-182] b. 1 d. Abt 1458 St Albans m. 1 Margaret BEAUFORT
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date: 22 May 1455 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p18]
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date: abt 1458 [Ref: CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589)]
date: living 17 Dec 1457 and (presumably) 19 Jan 1457/8 [Ref: CP XII/2 p734(h)]
date: living 17 Dec 1457 and (presumably) 19 Jan 1457/8 and d.v.p abt 1459 [Ref: CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121)]
CP II p418 Bulmer Barony by Writ 6. Sir William BULMER, "… He m. … Elizabeth, da. of Robert EURE, of Bradley, co. Durham, by Elizabeth, said to have been da. and h. of R. MALLORY."
RoyalAnc v5p69 Strangeways 10 Robert EURE and Strangeways 11 Elizabeth EURE
Douglas Richardson posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 10/20/2015 updates the parentage of Elizabeth EURE (matching CP II p418). See also posting by John Watson, earlier in that same thread, where he identifies two conflicting Elizabeths and separates the marriages into the two Elizabeths.
Elizabeth EURE d/o Robert EURE & Elizabeth MALLORY d. Abt 13 Mar 1481/2 u. Parish Church Of Upleatham, Co York m. Abt 28 Apr 1431 Sir William BULMER m2. After 1458 Sir James STRANGEWAYS
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parents: Robert EURE & Anne TEMPEST [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p69]
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parents: [Ref: CP II p418]
CP II p428 Burghersh Barony by Writ IX. 1446 to 1449. 7. Anne, suo jure Countess of Warwick, and, according to modern doctrine, Baroness Burghersh, "… She d. an infant and unm., 3 Jan 1448/9 (with corr in XIV p125), …" Side note in margin "See fuller account under 'Warwick', Earldom of"
RoyalAnc v1p302 Beauchamp 13 Richard BEAUCHAMP, K.G., K.B., 13th Earl of Warwick "… Children of Richard Beauchamp K.G. by Isabel le Despenser: Henry (or Harry) Beauchamp, Knt, 14th Earl of Warwick … Child of Henry Beauchamp, Knt, by Cecily Neville: Anne BEAUCHAMP … died without issue 3 June 1449."
Her death date is given as "3 Jan 1448/9" in CP I p28 and CP II p428 (with correction in CP XIV p125), and CP XII/2 p384. Her death date is (incorrectly) given as "3 Jun 1449" in CP IV p282, with "For fuller particulars see Warwick, Earldom of" which has the 3 Jan 1448/9 date.
Anne BEAUCHAMP, Countess Of Warwick d/o Henry BEAUCHAMP, Duke Of Warwick & Cecily NEVILLE [CP:II-428, CP:IV-282, CP:XII/2-384] b. Abt 13 Feb 1443/4 Cardiff d. 3 Jan 1448/9 Ewelme, Oxon u. Reading Abbey
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date: 3 Jun 1449 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p302]
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date: [Ref: CP I p28]
date: [Ref: CP II p428 (with corr in XIV p125)]
date: [Ref: CP XII/2 p384]
date: 3 Jun 1449 [Ref: CP IV p282]
CP III p31 Carlisle Earldom I 1322 to 1323. 1. Sir Andrew de HARTCLA, or De HARCLA, "s. of Michael de HARCLA, Sheriff of Cumberland 1285-98."
RoyalAnc v1p131 Arderne 11 Maud de Camville. "… She married before 1309 Richard de Vernon, Knt, of Haddon and Baslow, Derbyshire, Pitchcott, Buckinghamshire, and Little Appleby, Leicestershire, son and heir apparent of Richard de Vernon, Knt, of Haddon and Baslow, Derbyshire, Harlaston, Staffordshire, and Pitchcott, Buckinghamshire, probably by Isabel, daughter of William de Gernon, Knt."
Isabel was a sister of Andrew, Earl of Carlisle (Cox, Vernon chantries and benefactions to monasteries, Autumn 2006, p141), who is identified in CP III p31 as son of Sir Michael de HARCLA.
Isabella De Harcla d/o Sir Michael De HARCLA & d. After 1329 m. 1278 Sir Richard De VERNON
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father: probably Sir William de GERNON [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p131]
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brother: Andrew earl of Carlisle [Ref: Cox VERNON p141]
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(of Andrew, Earl of Carlisle) father: [Ref: CP III p31]
CP III p56 Carrick Earldom IV 1292 to 1306. 4. Robert (De BRUCE), Earl of Carrick[S], "… He was b. 11 July 1274, at Writtle, Essex."
RoyalAnc v1p605 Brus 8 Robert de BRUS "… born in Scotland, probably in Turnberry Castle in Carrick, 11 July 1274."
Neil Thompson's Ancestry of Charles II The Genealogist v24p110 also says "probably at Turnberry Castle". However, CP II p360 and CP III p56 both state that he was born at Writtle, Essex, as does SP I p7, William Addams Reitwiesner's article on Joan, and Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry p171.
Robert De BRUS, King Of Scots s/o Sir Robert De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, Lord Of Annand & Margaret Of Carrick, Countess Of Carrick [CP:II-360, CP:III-56, ES:II-92, AR:252-30] b. 11 Jul 1274 Writtle, Essex d. 7 Jun 1329 Cardross, Scotland u. Dunfermline m. m2. m3. Abt 1295 Isabel Of Mar m4. 1302 Elizabeth De BURG
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place: probably at Turnberry Castle [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p605]
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place: [Ref: SP I p7]
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place: [Ref: CP II p360]
place: [Ref: CP III p56]
CP III p292 Clifford Barony by Writ V. 1345. 5. Roger (De CLIFFORD), Lord Clifford, "… b. 20 Jul 1333 (with corr in XIV p188),"
RoyalAnc v2p244 Clifford 12 Roger De CLIFFORD, Knt, 5th Lord Clifford "… born 10 July 1333."
CP III p292 originally said 10 July 1333, but was then corrected in volume XIV p188 to 20 July 1333.
Sir Roger CLIFFORD, Lord Clifford s/o Robert De CLIFFORD, Lord Clifford & Isabel BERKELEY [CP:III-292, AR:26-32, MC:82-7] b. 20 Jul 1333 Brougham, Westmorland c. 20 Jul 1333 Brougham, Westmorland d. 13 Jul 1389 m. Before 20 Mar 1357 Maud De BEAUCHAMP
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date: 10 Jul 1333 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p244]
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date: [Ref: CP III p292 (with corr in XIV p188)]
CP III p307 Clifton Barony by Writ I. 1376 1. John de CLIFTON, "… s. and h of Constantine C., … which Constantine was s. and h. ap. Of Adam de Clifton(a), " Note (a): "This Adam was s. and h. of another Adam de C. (who d. 1366/7), s. and h. of Roger de Clifton …"
RoyalAnc v2p256 Clifton 10 Adam de CLIFTON "… married Eleanor de MORTIMER, … They had two sons, Constantine and Adam, Knt, "
Constantine CLIFTON (Clifton 11), father of John CLIFTON, 1st Lord Clifton (Clifton 12) was son of Adam son of Adam (Clifton 10). CP III p307(a) gives the details.
Constantine De CLIFTON s/o Adam De CLIFTON & d. Abt 20 Jan 1363 m. Before 20 May 1340 Catherine De La POLE
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parents: Adam de CLIFTON & Eleanor de MORTIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p256]
CP III p355 Cobham (of Sterborough) Barony by Writ IV. 1446. 4. Margaret, Countess of Westmorland, and apparently, according to modern doctrine, Baroness Cobham, "granddaughter and h., being da. and h. of Sir Reynold de COBHAM, by Thomasine, da. of Thomas FAUCONER (with corr in XIV p196)"
RoyalAnc v4p238 Neville 14 John NEVILLE, Knt "… Children of John Neville, Knt, by Elizabeth Holand: i. Ralph NEVILLE, Knt, 2nd Earl of Westmorland … He married (2nd) before Feb 1441/2 Margaret COBHAM, daughter and heiress of Reynold COBHAM, Knt, de jure 4th Lord Cobham of Sterborough, probably by Thomasine, daughter of Thomas CHIDIOCK."
Thomasine was daughter of Thomas FAUCONER, as given in CP III p355 (with corr in XIV p196). Also shown in Chris Phillips' CP++ Westmorland updating CP XII/2 p450.
Thomasine FAUCONER d/o Thomas FAUCONER & m. Sir Reynold COBHAM
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father: Sir Thomas CHIDEOCKE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p238]
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father: [Ref: CP++ Westmorland 12/31/2006 (CP XII/2 p450)]
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father: [Ref: CP III p355 (with corr in XIV p196)]
CP III p404 Conyers Barony by Writ. I. 1509. 1. William CONYERS, "… He m., 1stly, Mary, da. of John, Lord Scrope (of Bolton), by his 1st wife, Joan, da. of William (FITZHUGH), Lord Fitzhugh, being related to her in the 4th degree."
also CP III p404, CP XII/2 p945(h)
RoyalAnc v2p96 Cantelowe 11 William la ZOUCHE, K.G., 4th Lord Zouche of Harrington "… Children of William la Zouche, K.G., by Elizabeth ___: … i. William ZOUCHE, Knt, … married Elizabeth SAINT JOHN … She married (2nd) John SCROPE K.G. … They had one daughter, Mary (wife of William Conyers, Knt, 1st Lord Conyers)."
RoyalAnc v2p289 Conyers 18 William CONYERS, Knt "… He married (1st) by license dated 24 Sept 1479 Mary SCROPE, widow of his brother, John Conyers (living 1472), and daughter of John Scrope, K.G., 5th Lord Scrope of Bolton, by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Oliver Saint John, Knt"
RoyalAnc v4p531 Saint John 15 Margaret BEAUCHAMP "… Children of Margaret Beauchamp, by Oliver Saint John, Knt: … v. Elizabeth SAINT JOHN … married (2nd) before 10 Dec 1471 (as his 2nd wife) John SCROPE, K.G., 5th Lord Scrope of Bolton, … They had one daughter, Mary."
Mary SCROPE daughter of John SCROPE by either first wife (Joan FITZ HUGH) or second (Elizabeth St JOHN). CP III p404 says first wife (as does Faris PA2 p97), CP XII/2 p945(h) says second wife (as does Faris PA2 p326). This inconsistency in CP should be resolved, and I'd hate to take wikipedia as the tiebreaker. No discussion on GEN-MEDIEVAL found.
Mary SCROPE d/o John SCROPE, K.G., Lord Scrope & Joan FITZ HUGH m. 1 John CONYERS m2. Abt 24 Sep 1479 William CONYERS, Lord Conyers
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parents: John SCROPE & Elizabeth St JOHN [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p96]
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parents: John SCROPE & Elizabeth ST. JOHN [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p289]
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parents: [Ref: CP III p404]
parents: John SCROPE (#150508) & Elizabeth St JOHN (#71363) [Ref: CP XII/2 p945(h)]
CP IV p100 Daubeney 8. Sir Giles DAUBENEY, "… He m., 1stly, Joan (said to have been widow of John BEAUMONT), 3rd da. of Sir Philip DARCY"
RoyalAnc v2p391 Darcy 14 John de DARCY, Knt, 5th Lord Darcy "… married … Margaret de GREY … Children of John Darcy, Knt, by Margaret Grey: … iii Joan DARCY, married (1st) John BEAUCHAMP, Esq; (2nd) Giles DAUBENEY, Knt, of Barrington and South Petherton, Somerset, South Ingleby, Lincolnshire, etc."
RoyalAnc v4p30 Markham 10 Giles DAUBENEY, Knt "… He married (1st) before 1424 Joan DARCY, widow of John BEAUCHAMP, Esq, and daughter of John DARCY, Knt, 5th Lord Darcy of Knaith, 4th Lord Meinell, by Margaret, daughter of Henry GREY, Knt, 5th Lord Grey of Wilton."
Regarding Joan who married Giles DAUBENEY: wills of both 4th Lord Darcy and his widow Elizabeth are sources that confirm her parentage as daughter of Philip 4th Lord Darcy and Elizabeth Gray. Also confirmed by a pedigree from 'Coll Top & Gen' See Brad Verity's posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL 1/7/2016. Also CP IV p100. Joan (who married John BEAUCHAMP) was either daughter of John DARCY & Margaret GREY, or granddaughter. RoyalAnc v2p391 and RoyalAnc v4p30 both say daughter. RoyalAnc v3p542 say granddaughter (along with Brad Verity SGM 1/7/16, and Roberts RD600 p235).
Joan DARCY d/o Sir Philip DARCY, Lord Darcy & Elizabeth GRAY b. 3 d. South Petherton u. South Petherton, Somerset m. 1 m2. Before 1424 Sir Giles DAUBENEY, Lord Daubeney
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parents: John DARCY & Margaret GRAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p390]
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parents: John DARCY & Margaret GRAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p391]
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parents: John DARCY & Margaret GRAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p30]
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parents: [Ref: CP IV p100]
CP IV p202(a) Derby Earldom VI. 1254 to 1266. 6. Robert (De FERRERS), Earl of Derby, "… He m., 1stly (cont. 26 July 1249), in 1249, at Westm., the King's niece, Mary, da. of Hugues XI, called le Brun, Count of La Marche and Angouleme, Sire de Lusignan in Poitou … She was living 11 July 1266(a) and d.s.p.m." Note (a): "She probably d.s.p. It is stated by Ramsay that she had a da. Elizabeth, who was m. 1stly to John (should be William) Marshal, and 2ndly to David ap Griffith; but the authorities he cites call her merely "filiam Comitis Derbeie," and she must, in fact, have been a sister of the whole blood of Earl Robert, and not his da."
The text in CP IV p202(a) conflicts with text in CP VIII p527 (with corr in XIV p468) Marshal William MARSHAL, "knight, br. and h., … m. 1stly, Pernel, da of Sir Henry ORTY [See vol x, p.182, sub Orty], and m. Elizabeth, da of Robert (De FERRERS), 6th Earl of Derby (ia)."
Note (ia): "J.E.Lloyd, History of Wales, 1911, vol 2, p.259. She must have been very young at Marshall's death (1265), for her parents were m. only in 1249. Her 2nd marriage is recorded by Nicholas Trever, Annales (Eng Hist Soc, 1945), p.298, under the year 1277 "insuper et uxorem dedit filiam comitis Derbiae, quo nuper alio viro suo fuerat vidutae" Ex inform Charles H Evans."
RoyalAnc v2p562 Ferrers 7 William de FERRERS "… He married (2nd) in or before 1238 Margaret (or Margery) De QUINCY, … They had two sons … and three daughters, Elizabeth, Joan, and Agnes. … Children of William de Ferrers, Knt, by Margaret de Quincy: … iii. Elizabeth de FERRERS, married (1st) (as his 2nd wife) William MARSHAL … through source citations."
RoyalAnc v3p286 Hingham 5 William MARSHAL "… He married (2nd) Elizabeth de FERRERS, daughter of William de Ferrers, Knt, 5th Earl of Derby, by his 2nd wife, Margaret (or Margery), daughter of Roger de Quincy, Knt, 2nd Earl of Winchester [see Ferrers 7 for her ancestry]."
Elizabeth, second wife of William MARSHAL, was daughter of Robert de FERRERS, 6th Earl of Derby, as given in CP VIII p527 (with corr in XIV p468), by his first wife, as given in CP IV p202(a).
Elizabeth De FERRERS d/o Robert De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby & Mary De Lusignan d. After Jun 1297 m. 2 Sir William MARSHAL m2. Before 1275 Dafydd Ap Gruffyd, Prince Of Gwynedd
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parents: William de FERRERS & Margaret de QUINCY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p562]
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parents: [Ref: CP IV p202(a)]
parents: [Ref: CP VIII p527 (with corr in XIV p468)]
CP IV p204 Derby Earldom VIII? 1362. 2? Blanche, "… She m., 19 May 1359, at the age of 12 years, John, Earl of Richmond (4th s. of Edward III)"
also CP IV p204, CP VII p378, CP VII p411, CP VII p668
RoyalAnc v3p491 Lancaster 10 Blanche of LANCASTER "… subsequently married at Reading, Berkshire 13 May 1359 (by dispensation dated 6 Jan 1359, they being related in the 3rd and 4th degree of kindred) John of GAUNT, K.G. …"
This marriage was on 19 May 1359, as given in CP IV p204, CP VII p378, CP VII p411, CP VII p688, Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v22p101, and numerous other places.
John Of Gaunt K.G., Duke of Lancaster & Blanche Of Lancaster m. 19 May 1359 Reading
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date: 13 May 1359 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p490]
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date: [Ref: CP IV p204]
date: [Ref: CP VII p378]
date: [Ref: CP VII p411]
date: [Ref: CP VII p688]
CP IV p282 Despenser Anne, suo jure Countess of Warwick, "… She d. 3 June 1449."
also CP I p28, CP II p428 (with corr in XIV p125), CP XII/2 p384, CP IV p282 (which is incorrect)
RoyalAnc v1p302 Beauchamp 13 Richard BEAUCHAMP, K.G., K.B., 13th Earl of Warwick "… Children of Richard Beauchamp K.G. by Isabel le Despenser: Henry (or Harry) Beauchamp, Knt, 14th Earl of Warwick … Child of Henry Beauchamp, Knt, by Cecily Neville: Anne BEAUCHAMP … died without issue 3 June 1449."
Her death date is given as "3 Jan 1448/9" in CP I p28 and CP II p428 (with correction in CP XIV p125), and CP XII/2 p384. Her death date is (incorrectly) given as "3 Jun 1449" in CP IV p282, with "For fuller particulars see Warwick, Earldom of" which has the 3 Jan 1448/9 date.
Anne BEAUCHAMP, Countess Of Warwick d/o Henry BEAUCHAMP, Duke Of Warwick & Cecily NEVILLE [CP:II-428, CP:IV-282, CP:XII/2-384] b. Abt 13 Feb 1443/4 Cardiff d. 3 Jan 1448/9 Ewelme, Oxon u. Reading Abbey
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date: 3 Jun 1449 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p302]
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date: [Ref: CP I p28]
date: [Ref: CP II p428 (with corr in XIV p125)]
date: [Ref: CP XII/2 p384]
date: 3 Jun 1449 [Ref: CP IV p282]
CP IV p298 Devereux or Deverose, Barony by Writ I. 1384. 1. Sir John DEVEREUX, or DEVEROSE, "… He m., Margaret, da. of John (De VEER), Earl of Oxford, by Maud, sister and coh. Of Sir Giles De BADLESMERE, of Badlesmere and Chilham, Kent, … She had m., 1stly, Sir Henry de BEAUMONT, of Falkingham, co. Lincoln [Lord Beaumont], who d. 25 July 1369,"
also CP II p61 (with corr in XIV p78), CP IV p298
RoyalAnc v3p620 Lovaine 6 Margaret de VERE "married (1st) Henry de BEAUMONT, Knt, 3rd Lord Beaumont, of Folkingham, Lincolnshire [see Beaumont 9 for issue of this marriage]. He died 13 June 1369."
Henry Lord Beaumont died 25 July 1369, as given in CP II p61 (with corr in XIV p78), CP IV p298, and RoyalAnc v1p311 (Beaumont 9).
Henry BEAUMONT, Lord Beaumont s/o John De BEAUMONT, Lord Beaumont, Earl Of Buch & Eleanor PLANTAGENET [CP:II-61, ES:III-685, AR:17-31] b. 1340 Brabant d. 25 Jul 1369 Stirling u. Sempringham Priory, Co Lincoln m. Before 15 Feb 1363 Margaret De VERE
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date: 13 Jun 1369 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p620]
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date: [Ref: CP II p61 (with corr in XIV p78)]
date: [Ref: CP IV p298]
CP IV p325 Devon Earldom XI 1377. 3. Edward (De COURTENAY), Earl of Devon, "… He m. Maud, said to be da. of Thomas (CAMOYS), Lord Camoys."
also CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98), CP IV p325, CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368)
RoyalAnc v1p434 Bonville 11 William BONVILLE, K.G., of Chewton and Sock Dennis, Somerset "… He married (2nd) before 9 October 1427 Elizabeth COURTENAY, widow of John Harrington, Knt, 4th Lord Harrington (died 11 Feb 1417/8), and daughter of Edward Courtenay, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, by Maud, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt".
RoyalAnc v2p70 Camoys 7 John de CAMOYS "… Children of John de Camoys, Knt, by Elizabeth le Latimer: … ii. Maud CAMOYS, married Edward COURTENAY, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, 4th Lord Courtenay [see Courtenay 8.i]."
RoyalAnc v2p331 Courtenay 8 Edward de COURTENAY, Knt "… Children of Edward de Courtenay, Knt, by Emeline Dauney: i. Edward Courtenay, Knt, … He married before 31 May 1383 Maud CAMOYS, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt, of Gressenhall, Norfolk, by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, daughter of William le Latimer, 3rd Lord Latimer."
RoyalAnc v3p221 Harington 12 Robert HARINGTON "… Children of Robert Harington, K.B., by Isabel Loring: i. John HARINGTON, Knt, 4th Lord Harington … married Elizabeth COURTENAY, daughter of Edward Courtenay, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, by Maud, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt [see Courtenay 8.i for her ancestry]."
Maud was daughter of Thomas Camoys, 3rd Lord Camoys, and Elizabeth Louches. So says CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98), CP IV p325, and CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368). Also says Roskell HoP v2p284 (entry for Sir William Bonville). Also Faris PA2 p37. Also Richardson PA p127 and p240.
But then there is Douglas Richardson's GEN-MEDIEVAL posting on 12/23/2006, which raises questions about Maud's parentage, but offers no solutions, and led to no discussion. This was hardly a proposed correction to CP. So no changes.
Maud CAMOYS d/o Thomas CAMOYS, K.G., Lord Camoys & Elizabeth LOUCHES m. Before 1382/3 Edward COURTENAY, Earl Of Devon
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father: John CAMOYS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p434]
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parents: John CAMOYS & Elizabeth LATIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p70]
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parents: John CAMOYS & Elizabeth LATIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p331]
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father: John CAMOYS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p221]
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parents: [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 12/23/2003-023451]
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father: [Ref: CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98)]
father: [Ref: CP IV p325]
father: [Ref: CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368)]
CP IV p431 Douglas Earldom II. 1384. 2. James (DOUGLAS), Earl of Douglas, "… He m. (disp 23 Sep. 1371) the Lady Isabel STEWART, da. of Robert II, by his 2nd wife, Eupheme, da. of Hugh, Earl of Ross [S]."
RoyalAnc v1p633 Brus 10 "… Children of Robert II of Scotland, by Elizabeth More: … viii. Isabel STEWART …"
SP I p16 shows this Isabel as fourth daughter by first wife, Elizabeth MURE. However, CP IV p421 says she was daughter of Robert II by his second wife, Euphemia of Ross.
Isabel STEWART d/o Robert II STEWART, King Of Scots & Euphemia Of Ross d. 1409 m. Abt 23 Sep 1371 James DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m2. Before 1390 Sir John EDMONSTONE
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mother: Elizabeth MURE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p633]
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parents: [Ref: CP IV p431]
CP V p78 Engaine Barony by Writ II 1355. 2. Sir Thomas ENGAINE, "… He d.s.p … His coheirs were his three sisters. (1) Joyouse, … (2) Elizabeth … (3) Mary, aged 24, wife of Sir William BERNAK, … she m., 2ndly, Thomas la ZOUCHE … She d. 19 May 1401."
RoyalAnc v2p93 Cantelowe 9 William la ZOUCHE, Knt, 2nd Lord Zouche "… Children of William la Zouche, Knt, by Elizabeth de Roos: … ii. Thomas la ZOUCHE, Knt, … married Mary D'ENGAINE … His wife Mary died 14 May 1401."
CP V p78 gives her death date as 19 May 1401.
Mary ENGAINE d/o Sir John ENGAINE, Lord Engaine & Joan PEVEREL b. Abt 1343 d. 19 May 1401 m. Before 1367 Sir William BERNAK m2. 2 Sir Thomas La ZOUCHE
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date: 14 May 1401 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p93]
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date: [Ref: CP V p78]
CP V p88 Erdington 3. Sir Thomas de ERDINGTON, "… He m., before 24 Jan. 1357/8, Margaret, da. of Sir Robert CORBET, of Moreton Corbet, by Elizabeth, da. of Sir Fulk LESTRAUNGE [Lord Lestraunge].(a)" Note(a): "Dugdale calls Margaret, da. of Sir Thomas CORBET of Moreton CORBET, but this is an error. Thomas d. 1310, leaving a s. an dh., Robert, who d. 3 Dec. 1375; his s., Sir Roger CORBET m. Margaret; their s. and h., Robert, d. 12 Aug. 1420; his 2nd s. and (eventually) h., Sir Roger, d. 5 June 1467; his s. and h., Sir Richard CORBET, d. 6 Dec 1492,"
RoyalAnc v2p294 Corbet Richard CORBET, Knt "… died 6 Dec 1493."
Richard CORBET died 6 Dec 1492, as given in CP V p88(a). The incorrect date 6 Dec 1493 also appears in Weis AR7 #56B, and Faris PA2 p139.
Sir Richard CORBET s/o Sir Roger CORBET & Elizabeth HOPTON b. Abt 1451 d. 6 Dec 1492 m. Before 1478 Elizabeth DEVEREUX
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date: 6 Dec 1493 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p294]
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date: [Ref: CP V p88(a)]
CP V p185 Everingham Note(a) "Adam m., 2ndly, before May 1270, Isabel, widow of Roger de MERLEY, of Morpeth, Northumberland (who d.s.p.m, shortly before 4 Dec 1265). She survived Adam, and her dower of his lands was ordered to be assigned, 9 Dec. 1280."
RoyalAnc v4p665 Somerville 7 Isabel de ROOS "…Isabel died shortly before 7 May 1275."
Isabel survived her husband Adam, and was living 9 Dec 1280, as shown in CP V p185(a).
Isabel De ROS d/o Sir Robert De ROS, Baron Of Wark & d. After 9 Dec 1280 m. Before 1241 Roger De MERLAY, Baron Of Morpeth m2. Before May 1270 Sir Adam De EVERINGHAM
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date: shortly before 7 May 1275 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p665]
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date: living 9 Dec 1280 [Ref: CP V p185(a)]
CP V p290 Felton 1 Barony by Writ 1313 1. Sir Robert De FELTON "… He m. Hawise, da. of Sir John LESTRAUNGE, [1st Lord Strange of Knockton], by Alienore, da. of Eble de MONTZ and widow of Stephen SOMERY [see STRANGE] (with corr in XIV p318)."
RoyalAnc v2p555 Felton 5 Hawise le STRANGE daughter of Joan de SOMERY married John Le STRANGE, of Knockin, Shropshire [see STRANGE 4].
RoyalAnc v5p61 Strange 4 Joan de SOMERY "married about 1253 John LE STRANGE, … They had one son … and two daughters, Margaret and Hawise."
CP V p290 originally said Hawise was dau of John LeSTRAUNGE of Knockin, Salop, by Joan, 2nd da of Sir Roger de SOMERY, of Dudley, co Worcester. Corrections in XIV p318 changed this to dau of John LESTRAUNGE, 1st Lord Strange of Knokin, by Alienore, da of Eble de MONTZ and widow of Stephen SOMERY [see STRANGE].
RoyanAnc seems to have missed the update to CP.
Hawise LESTRANGE d/o John V LESTRANGE, Lord Strange & Alienore De MONTZ d. After 16 May 1303 m. 1 Stephen SOMERY m2. 2 Sir Robert De FELTON, Lord Felton
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parents: John STRANGE & Joan SOMERY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p555]
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parents: John STRANGE & Joan SOMERY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p61]
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parents: [Ref: CP V p290 (with corr in XIV p318)]
CP V p373 Fife VI 1203. 4. Malcolm [MACDUFF?], Earl of Fife, "… He m., Maud, da. of Gilbert, Earl of Strathearn, by his 1st wife, Maud, da. of Roger de TOSNY by Constance, da. of Raoul, Vicomte de Beaumont (with corr in XIV p.323)"
Constance was daughter of Richard de BEAUMONT, as given in CP XII/1 p768.
also CP XII/1 p381
RoyalAnc v2p392 Daubeney 5 Maud de SENLIS "… married (1st) William D'AUBENEY … Children of Maud de Senlis, by William d'Aubeney: … ii. Maud D'AUBENEY, married (as his 1st wife) Gilbert, 3rd Earl of Strathearn … They had seven sons, Gilchrist, William, Fertoth, Robert [Earl of Strathearn], Fergus, Knt, Malise (parson of Gask), and Gilbert, Knt, and three daughters, Maud …, Cecily …, and probably Ethna (or Helen) … Child of Maud d'Aubeney, by Gilbert, Earl of Strathearn: a. Robert, 4th Earl of Strathearn, … (through end of references)"
Maud, who married Gilbert Earl of Strathearn, was daughter of Roger de TOENI and Constance de BEAUMONT, as given in CP V p373 (with correction in XIV p323); (Prior to the correction, CP V p373 said Maud was daughter of William D'Aubigny). CP XII/1 p381 says Gilbert m(1) Maud d/o William d'Aubigny. This is another inconsistency in CP. The correction to CP V p373 should also have been made to CP XII/1 p381.
Margaret De TOSNY d/o Roger IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead & Constance De BEAUMONT d. After 1210 m. 1 Gilbert Earl Of Strathern m2. Malcolm Earl of Fife
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parents: William D'Albini & Maud FitzRobert [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP V p373 (with corr in XIV p323)]
Gilchrist Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY [CP:XII/1-381] b. 1 d. 5 Oct 1198 u. Inchaffray Abbey
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/1 p381]
William Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY [CP:XII/1-381] b. 2 d. Abt 1210
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/1 p381]
Ferteth Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY b. 3 d. Abt 1210
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/1 p381(l)]
Robert Earl Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY [CP:XII/1-381] b. 4 d. Before Aug 1244 m. (Unk dau) De MORAVIA
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/1 p381]
Sir Fergus Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY b. 5 d. Abt 1247
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p243]
Sir Malise Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY b. 6 d. After 1272 m.
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p243]
Sir Gilbert De GLENCAIRNIE s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY b. 7 d. After 12 Sep 1232 m.
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p243]
Maud Of Strathern d/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY m. Malcolm MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP V p373]
Cecilia Of Streathearn d/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY m. Sir Walter Of Ruthven
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP IV p255]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p244]
Ethna Of Strathern d/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY m. 1 David De HAYA
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP III p557]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p244]
CP V p375 Fife XI. 1353 to 1371. 9. Isabel, or Elizabeth, suo jure Countess of Fife, "… She m., 3rdly … Sir Thomas BYSET …. He d.s.p., before 17 Apr. 1365."
RoyalAnc v1p617 Brus 10 Robert STEWART (or Robert II of Scotland) "… Children of Robert II of Scotland, by Elizabeth More: …ii. Walter STEWART, … His widow, Isabel, married (3rd) … Thomas BISET (or BISSET, BYSETH), Knt, of Upsetffington, Berwickshire. … died before 17 Apr 1365".
RoyalAnc v2p202 Clare 8 Gilbert de CLARE, Knt, 7th Earl of Gloucester "… Children of Gilbert de Clare, Knt, by Alice de Lusignan: … ii. Joan de CLARE … Child of Joan de CLARE, by Duncan of Fife: a. Duncan of Fife … Child of Duncan of Fife, Knt, by Mary de Monthermer: 1) Isabel (or Elizabeth) of Fife, … married (3rd) Thomas BISET (or BISSET, BYSETH) … died before 17 April 1365."
CP V p375 says 17 Apr 1365. Chris Phillips CP++ changes this to 17 Apr 1366, noting a systematic error in the regnal years given in the acts of David II of Scotland.
Sir Thomas BYSET s/o d. Before 17 Apr 1366 m. Abt 10 Jan 1362/3 Elizabeth Countess Of Fife
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date: before 17 Apr 1365 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p617]
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date: before 17 Apr 1365 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p202]
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date: before 17 Apr 1366 [Ref: CP++(proposed) Fife 8/24/2003 (CP V p374)]
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date: before 17 Apr 1365 [Ref: CP V p375]
CP V p413 FitzHenry Barony by Writ I. 1309. 1. Sir Aucher FITZ HENRY, "… He m. Joan, 2nd da. of Sir John De BELEWE, of Kirklington, Notts, by his 1st wife (to whom she wa coh.) Ladereyne, sister and coh. Of Sir Piers de BRUS III, of Skelton and Danby in Cleveland, and 4th da. of Sir Piers de BRUS III, of Skelton and Danby."
RoyalAnc v5p32 Stapleton 7 Ladrana (Laderina, Ladereyne) de BRUS "married John de BELLEW … They had two daughters, Sibyl (or Isabel) and Joan (wife of Henry FITZ AUCHER)."
The husband of Joan de BELEWE was Sir Aucher FITZ HENRY, 1st Lord Fitz Henry, as given in CP V p413.
Sir Aucher FITZ HENRY, Lord FitzHenry & Joan De BELEWE m.
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names: Henry Fitz AUCHER & Joan de BELEWE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p32]
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names: [Ref: CP V p413]
CP V p417 Fitzhenry afterwards Fitzhugh Sir Hugh Fitz HENRY, "… He m. Aubrey, widow of Sir William de STYNGRAVE, of Stonegrave, co York"
RoyalAnc v2p630 Fitz Hugh 11 Eve de BULMER "married (as his 1st wife) Henry Fitz HUGH, Knt, … son and heir of Hugh Fitz Henry, Knt, … by Aubrey, daughter of William de STEYNGRAVE, Knt, of Stonegrave, Yorkshire."
Aubrey was widow of William de STEYNGRAVE, not daughter. See CP V p417.
Aubrey d/o d. Abt 25 Jan 1302/3 Horworth-On-Tees u. 25 Jan 1302/3 Jervaulx Abbey m. 1 William De STEYNGRAVE m2. After 1264 Sir Hugh FITZHENRY, Lord Of Ravensworth
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father: Sir William de STEYNGRAVE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p630]
William De STEYNGRAVE & Aubrey m. 1
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date: first marriage of Aubrey [Ref: CP V p417]
CP V p434f (chart following page 434 of printed edition, but apparently not included in pdf from familysearch.org) "The Lords of Ravensworth"
William FitzHugh, Lord FitzHugh; 26+ in 1425; d. 22 Oct. 1452 = Margery, da. of William, Lord Willoughby; d. before 22 Oct. 1452.
Margery = John MELTON, of Cawton and Felton; d. 23 Apr. 1458.
also CP V p434, CP VIII p255
RoyalAnc v2p277 Codnor 16 John ZOUCHE (or SOUCHE), Esq "… His widow Eleanor married John MELTON, Knt, … son and heir of John MELTON, Knt, … by Margaret, daughter of Roger de Clifford, Knt, 5th Lord Clifford."
Margaret wife of Sir John MELTON, was daughter of William FITZ HUGH and Margery de WILLOUGHBY, as stated in CP V p434, and also in RoyalAnc v2p632.
Margery FITZ HUGH d/o William FITZ HUGH, Lord FitzHugh & Margery De WILLOUGHBY b. 6 m. Abt 1454 Sir John MELTON
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father: Sir Roger CLIFFORD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p277]
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parents: [Ref: CP V p434f]
father: [Ref: CP VIII p255]
CP V p512(c) Fitzwarin Sir William FITZWARIN, le frere(c), Note (c): "He was, no doubt, a yr. br. of that Fulk FITZWARIN of Whittington who died in 1349, but there is no actual proof."
RoyalAnc v2p661 Fitz Warin 9 Fulk FITZ WARIN, Knt "… married Margaret De La POLE… They had three sons, Fulk, Knt [2nd Lord Fitz Warin], William, K.G., and John, and two daughters…"
William Fitz Warin, K.G., was son of Fulk Fitz WARIN, and grandson of Fulk Fitz WARIN and Margaret De La POLE. See CP V p512(c), where he is identified as younger brother of Sir Fulk Fitz Warin who died in 1349.
Sir William FITZWARIN, K.G. s/o Fulk FITZWARIN, Lord Fitzwarin & Alianore De BEAUCHAMP [CP:V-512] b. 4 d. Abt 28 Oct 1361 u. Wantage, Berks m. Before 1337 Amice De HADDEN
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parents: Fulk FITZ WARIN & Margaret De La POLE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p661]
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brother: Sir Fulk FitzWarin d.1349 [Ref: CP V p512(c)]
(of Fulk FITZ WARIN d.1349) parents: [Ref: CP V p499]
CP VI p68 Grandison Barony by Writ IV. 1369. 4. Sir Thomas De GRANDISON "… He d.s.p … His coheirs were the descendants of his three aunts, sisters of his father, Otes de GRANDISON, and das. of William de GRANDISON, 1st Lord Grandison. (1) Mabel, wife of Sir John de PATESHULLE, … (2) Agnes, wife of John de NORTHWOOD, … (3) Katherine, wife of William (de MONTAGU) …"
also CP I p418 (with corr in XIV p64), CP IX p756, CP VI p68 (with corr in XIV p348)
RoyalAnc v1p252 Bardolf 12 Thomas BARDOLF "… He married AGNES ___, said to be daughter of William de Grandison, Knt, 1st Lord Grandison."
RoyalAnc v4p153 Morley 10 William de MORLEY, Knt "… married … Cecily BARDOLF, daughter of Thomas BARDOLF, Knt, 2nd Lord Bardolf, of Wormegay, Norfolk, by Agnes, said to be daughter of William de GRANDISON (or GAUNSON), Knt, 1st Lord Grandison."
Agnes wife of Thomas Bardolf (CP I p418 as corrected by XIV p64) "he m. Agnes, perhaps a grandson[bad correction??? maybe should say "a Grandison"](a). He d. 15 Dec 1329." Note(a) revised to say (at end) "seems unlikely to have been da of William Seigneur of Grandison by Blanche of Savoy, as suggested previously. See for example, [ES XI #154]" (but ES XI #154 says nothing about William and wife Blanche of Savoy, and Weis AR7 #257 still says WIlliam & Blanche and cites CP I 418). However, William Grandison, 1st Lord Grandison, had a daughter Agnes, who married John de Northwode (CP IX p756, CP VI p68 (with corr in XIV p348)). It seems very unlikely that there was a second daughter named Agnes, or that Agnes married both John de Northwode (before 1307) and Thomas Bardolf (certainly before 1313). Leaving her as "unknown parentage" seems best.
Agnes De GRANDSON d/o William De GRANDSON, Seigneur De Grandson & Blanche De SAVOIE d. 11 Dec 1357 Ruskington, Co Lincoln m. Sir Thomas BARDOLF, Lord Bardolf
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father: William de Grandison (or Graunson) 1st Lord Grandison [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p252]
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father: William de Grandison (or Graunson) 1st Lord Grandison [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p153]
CP VI p100 Gray Barony[S] III. 1514. 3. Patrick (GRAY), Lord Gray, "… He m. between Feb. 1491/2 and Feb. 1492/3, Janet, widow of Alexander LINDSAY, Master of Crawford, styled Lord Lindsay, and 2nd da. of George (GORDON), 2nd Earl of Huntley, by his 2nd wife, Annabel STEWART, 2nd da. of James I."
RoyalAnc v1p241 Barclay 13 George GORDON (or SETON) "… married (2nd) before 10 March 1459/60 Annabelle STEWART … They had one daughter, Isabel (wife of William Hay, Earl of Erroll). … He married (3rd) after 12 May 1465, … Elizabeth HAY, daughter of William Hay, Knt, 1st Earl of Erroll, … They had four sons … and six daughters, Janet (wife of Alexander Lindsey, Master of Crawford), …"
George's daughter Janet was by his second wife, Annabelle STEWART, not by third wife Elizabeth HAY. CP VI p100 and SP IV p530 show this.CP VI p100, entry for Patrick Grey, 3rd Lord Grey, "m. between Feb 1491/2 and Feb 1492/3, Janet, widow of Alexander LINDSAY, Master of Crawford, styled Lord Lindsay, and 2nd da of George (GORDON), 2nd Earl of Huntley [S], by his 2nd wife, Annabel STEWART, 2nd da of James I." No discussion found on GEN-MEDIEVAL to correct this.
Janet GORDON d/o Sir George GORDON, Earl Of Huntly & Annabella STEWART b. 2 d. Before Feb 1558/9 m. Before 12 Jun 1480 Alexander LINDSEY, Master Of Crawford m2. Abt Feb 1492/3 Patrick GRAY, Lord Gray m3. Before 1507/8 Patrick BUTTER m4. Before Nov 1535 James HALKERSTON
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parents: George GORDON & Elizabeth HAY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p241]
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parents: [Ref: CP VI p100]
CP VI p132f Chart "Pedigree of Grey of Codnor, of Rotherfield, of Ruthin, of Sandiacre, of Wilton"
John de Grey of Shirland, yr. s., d. before 18 Mar. 1265/6 = Emma de Glanville
Emma = William de Huntingfield
also CP VI p132f, CP VI p172(a), CP VI p665
RoyalAnc v3p379 Huntingfield 8 William de HUNTINGFIELD, Knt "… He married before 1260 Emma de GREY, daughter of John de GREY, Knt, of Shirland, Berkshire, by his 1st wife, Emma, daughter and heiress of Roger de CAUZ, of Water Eaton"
Mother of Emma de GREY was 1st wife of John de GREY, Emma, daughter of Geoffrey de GLANVILLE, and sister and coheir of another Geoffrey de GLANVILLE. See CP VI pedigree chart following p128, CP VI p172(e), and CP VI p665.
Emma De GREY d/o Sir John De GREY & Emma De GLANVILLE d. 1264 m. Before 1260 Sir William De HUNTINGFIELD
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mother: Emma de CAUZ , first wife of John GREY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p379]
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parents: [Ref: CP VI p132f]
parents: [Ref: CP VI p172(a)]
parents: [Ref: CP VI p665]
CP VI p171(e) Grey (of Wilton or of Shirland) Barony by Writ. I. 1290 or 1295. 1. Sir Reynold de GREY, "… s. and h. of Sir John de GREY, of Shirland (who d. shortly before 18 Mar. 1265), by his 2nd wife(e), Emma," Note (e): "Sir John GREY appears to have married, 1stly, Emma, da. and coh. of Geoffrey de Glanville, by whom he had a son Reynold, who preumably died s.p., and a daughter Emma, who married William de HUNTINGFIELD"
also CP VI p132f, CP VI p172(a), CP VI p665
RoyalAnc v3p379 Huntingfield 8 William de HUNTINGFIELD, Knt "… He married before 1260 Emma de GREY, daughter of John de GREY, Knt, of Shirland, Berkshire, by his 1st wife, Emma, daughter and heiress of Roger de CAUZ, of Water Eaton"
Mother of Emma de GREY was 1st wife of John de GREY, Emma, daughter of Geoffrey de GLANVILLE, and sister and coheir of another Geoffrey de GLANVILLE. See CP VI pedigree chart following p128, CP VI p172(e), and CP VI p665.
Emma De GREY d/o Sir John De GREY & Emma De GLANVILLE d. 1264 m. Before 1260 Sir William De HUNTINGFIELD
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mother: Emma de CAUZ , first wife of John GREY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p379]
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parents: [Ref: CP VI p132f]
parents: [Ref: CP VI p171(e)]
parents: [Ref: CP VI p665]
CP VI p176 (with corr in XIV p356) Grey (of Wilton or of Shirland) Barony by Writ. IV. 1342. 4. Reynold (GREY), Lord Grey (of Wilton), "… He m., before 10 Jan. 1327/8, Maud, apparently da. of Sir Richard De La VACHE (with corr in XIV p356)"
RoyalAnc v5p371 Wilton 10 Reynold de GREY, Knt, 4th Lord Grey of Wilton "… He married before 10 Jan 1327/8 Maud BOTETOURT, daughter of Thomas BOTETOURT, Knt, of Essex, Upton, Norfolk, and Great Bradley, Suffolk, by Joan, daughter of Roger de SOMERY, Knt."
Wife of Reynold de GREY was Maud De La VACHE, as given in CP VI p176 (with corr in XIV p356). This also appears in Wrottesley, _Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls_ p376, and William Page, Victoria County History of Buckinghamshire, vol 2 page 315 (where she is identified as brother of Matthew de la VACHE).
Maud De La VACHE d/o Sir Richard De La VACHE, K.G. & Amy d. 14 Sep 1391 Shirland, Derbyshire m. Before 10 Jan 1327/8 Sir Reynold De GREY, Lord Grey Of Wilton
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parents: Thomas BOTETORTE & Joan SOMERY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p371]
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father: [Ref: CP VI p176 (with corr in XIV p356)]
CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368) Harington or Haverington Barony by Writ IV. 1406. 4. John (De HARINGTON), Lord Harington, "… He m. Elizabeth, da. of Edward (COURTENAY), 3rd Earl of Devon, by Maud, said to be da. of Thomas (CAMOYS), 3rd Lord Camoys (with corr in XIV p368)."
also CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98), CP IV p325, CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368)
RoyalAnc v1p434 Bonville 11 William BONVILLE, K.G., of Chewton and Sock Dennis, Somerset "… He married (2nd) before 9 October 1427 Elizabeth COURTENAY, widow of John Harrington, Knt, 4th Lord Harrington (died 11 Feb 1417/8), and daughter of Edward Courtenay, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, by Maud, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt".
RoyalAnc v2p70 Camoys 7 John de CAMOYS "… Children of John de Camoys, Knt, by Elizabeth le Latimer: … ii. Maud CAMOYS, married Edward COURTENAY, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, 4th Lord Courtenay [see Courtenay 8.i]."
RoyalAnc v2p331 Courtenay 8 Edward de COURTENAY, Knt "… Children of Edward de Courtenay, Knt, by Emeline Dauney: i. Edward Courtenay, Knt, … He married before 31 May 1383 Maud CAMOYS, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt, of Gressenhall, Norfolk, by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, daughter of William le Latimer, 3rd Lord Latimer."
RoyalAnc v3p221 Harington 12 Robert HARINGTON "… Children of Robert Harington, K.B., by Isabel Loring: i. John HARINGTON, Knt, 4th Lord Harington … married Elizabeth COURTENAY, daughter of Edward Courtenay, Knt, 11th Earl of Devon, by Maud, daughter of John de Camoys, Knt [see Courtenay 8.i for her ancestry]."
Maud was daughter of Thomas Camoys, 3rd Lord Camoys, and Elizabeth Louches. So says CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98), CP IV p325, and CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368). Also says Roskell HoP v2p284 (entry for Sir William Bonville). Also Faris PA2 p37. Also Richardson PA p127 and p240.
But then there is Douglas Richardson's GEN-MEDIEVAL posting on 12/23/2006, which raises questions about Maud's parentage, but offers no solutions, and led to no discussion. This was hardly a proposed correction to CP. So no changes.
Maud CAMOYS d/o Thomas CAMOYS, K.G., Lord Camoys & Elizabeth LOUCHES m. Before 1382/3 Edward COURTENAY, Earl Of Devon
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father: John CAMOYS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p434]
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parents: John CAMOYS & Elizabeth LATIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p70]
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parents: John CAMOYS & Elizabeth LATIMER [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p331]
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father: John CAMOYS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p221]
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parents: [Ref: Brad Verity SGM 12/23/2003-023451]
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father: [Ref: CP II p219 (with corr in XIV p98)]
father: [Ref: CP IV p325]
father: [Ref: CP VI p318 (with corr in XIV p368)]
CP VI p382 Hastinges (of Inchmahome) Barony by Writ. I. 1299 to 1314. 1. Sir Edmund de HASTINGES, "… Edward I, before 18 Nov. 1292, gave him in marriage Isabel, Countess of Menteith, widow of William COMIN, of Kirkintilloch,, co. Dunbarton (who d.s.p. before 2 June 1291),"
RoyalAnd v3p254 Hastings 9 Henry de HASTINGS, Knt "… Children of Henry de Hastings, Knt, by Joan de Cantelowe: … ii. Edmund de HASTINGS, Knt, … married shortly after 5 Jan 1292 Isabel RUSSELL, widow of William COMYN, of Kirkintiloch and Badenoch (died 3 August 1291), and …"
William COMYN died before 2 Jun 1291, as given in CP VI p382.
William COMYN s/o Sir John The Red COMYN, Justiciar Of Galloway & Eve b. 1 d. Before 2 Jun 1291 m. Before 1273 Isabel RUSSEL, Countess Of Menteith
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date: 3 Aug 1291 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p254]
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date: before 2 Jun 1291 [Ref: CP VI p382]
CP VI p629, CP VI p629(a) Hunsdon Barony I. 1559. 1. Henry CAREY, "… He m. (lic. Fac. 21 May 1545) "Ann MORGAN of the family (i.e. household) of our Lord the King", which lady(a) was apparently da. of Sir Thomas MORGAN, of Arkestone, co. Hereford, by Anne, da. of Sir Robert WHITNEY, of Whitney, co. Gloucester." Note (a): "The paternity of Ann MORGAN has been wrongly assigned … In the Coll. of Arms, Lady Hunsdon's parentage (as in the text) and her pedigree on both sides are fully set out, … while her mother was da. and h. of Sir Robert WHITNEY (by Sibell, sister of Sir James BASKERVILLE),"
also CP VI p629, CP VI p629(a)
RoyalAnc v2p107 Carey 15 William CAREY "… Children by William Carey, by Mary Boleyn: … ii. Henry (or Harry) Carey, K.G., … married Anne (or Annes) MORGAN, daughter of Thomas Morgan, Esq, of Arkeston, by Elizabeth, daughter of James Whitney, Esq."
Anne MORGAN's mother is given by CP VI p629 and p629(a) as Anne, daughter of Sir Robert WHITNEY and Sibell BASKERVILLE.
Anne MORGAN d/o Sir Thomas MORGAN & Anne WHITNEY d. 19 Jan 1606/7 u. Chapel of St John Baptist, Westminster Abbey m. Abt 21 May 1545 Henry CARY, Lord Hunsdon
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mother: Elizabeth WHITNEY daughter of James WHITNEY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p107]
CP citation with correct Information
parents: [Ref: CP VI p629]
CP VI p665 Huntingfield Sir William de HUNTINGFIELD, "… He m. Emma, da. of John de GREY, of Shirland, co Derby (with corr in XIV p396), by his 1st wife, Emma., da. of Geoffrey de GLANVILLE and sister and coh. Of another Geoffrey de GLANVILLE."
also CP VI p132f, CP VI p171(e), CP VI p665
RoyalAnc v3p379 Huntingfield 8 William de HUNTINGFIELD, Knt "… He married before 1260 Emma de GREY, daughter of John de GREY, Knt, of Shirland, Berkshire, by his 1st wife, Emma, daughter and heiress of Roger de CAUZ, of Water Eaton"
Mother of Emma de GREY was 1st wife of John de GREY, Emma, daughter of Geoffrey de GLANVILLE, and sister and coheir of another Geoffrey de GLANVILLE. See CP VI pedigree chart following p128, CP VI p172(e), and CP VI p665.
Emma De GREY d/o Sir John De GREY & Emma De GLANVILLE d. 1264 m. Before 1260 Sir William De HUNTINGFIELD
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
mother: Emma de CAUZ , first wife of John GREY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p379]
CP citation with correct Information
parents: [Ref: CP VI p132f]
parents: [Ref: CP VI p172(a)]
parents: [Ref: CP VI p665]
CP VI p670 (with corr in XIV p397) Huntingfield Barony by Writ 1351. 1. Sir William de HUNTINGFIELD, "… The heir of William de HUNTINGFIELD was found by inquisitions to be Eleanor (with corr in XIV p397), da. of Richard FRAUNCEYS, by Elizabeth, sister and h. of William, 1st Lord Huntingfield."
also CP VI p670 (with corr in XIV p397), CP IX p766, CP IX p766(e), CP IX p764
RoyalAnd v3p382 Huntingfield 10 Roger de HUNTINGFIELD, Knt "… married before 1313-14 (dated of fine) Eleanor ___. They had one son, Roger, and two daughters, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas de SYWARDBY) and Elizabeth (wife of Richard FRANCIS (or FRAUNCEYS))."
CP VI p670 (with corr in XIV) clearly says she was brother of William 1st Lord Huntingfield. CP IX p766 and p766(e) agree. CP IX p764 says parents are Roger Huntingfield & Cicely Norwich. See GEN-MEDIEVAL discussion about a CP correction, and Chris Phillips questioning it. Some other geneologists reconcile this by having two daughters Elizabeth daughters of Roger Huntingfield & Eleanor (citing MCA2 v2p442 and RoyalAnc v3p381, though neither says there were two Elizabeths in that family).
Elizabeth De HUNTINGFIELD d/o Sir Roger De HUNTINGFIELD & Cicely De NORWICH d. After 1343 m. Before 1338 Richard FRAUNCEYS
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
parents: Roger de HUNTINGFIELD & Eleanor ___ [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p382]
CP citation with correct Information
parents: [Ref: CP IX p764]
parents: [Ref: CP IX p766(e)]
father: [Ref: CP IX p766]
brother: William 1st Lord Huntingfield [Ref: CP IX p766]
brother: William 1st Lord Huntingfield [Ref: CP VI p670 (with corr in XIV p397)]
(of William 1st Lord Huntingfield) parents: [Ref: CP IX p764]
(of William 1st Lord Huntingfield) parents: [Ref: CP VI p668]
CP VII p234 Kildare Earldom IX. 1513. 9. Gerald (FITZGERALD), Earl of Kildare, "… He m., 2ndly, in 1519, also in England, Elizabeth, da. of Thomas (GREY), 1st Marquess of Dorset, by Cecily, suo jure Boness Harington and Bonville."
also CP VII p234, CP VII p692
RoyalAnc v2p168 Chidiock 16 John ARUNDEL, K.B. "… married (1st) in 1496 [Lady] Elizabeth GREY, daughter of Thomas GREY, K.G., K.B., 1st Marquess of Dorset, … by his 2nd wife Cecily, suo jure Lady Harington and Bonville, daughter of William BONVILLE, Knt, 6th Lord Harington."
RoyalAnc v3p164 Groby 17 Thomas GREY, K.G., Lord Ferrers of Groby "… He married (2nd) by marriage contract dated 18 July 1474 … Cecily BONVILLE, … They had seven sons … and seven daughters … Elizabeth, … Children of Thomas Grey, K.G., K.B., by Cecily Bonville: … vii [Lady] Elizabeth GREY, married John ARUNDELL, K.B. …"
Two daughters of Thomas GREY and Cecily BONVILLE. Elizabeth (RoyalAnc v2p168 (m.John ARUNDEL), RoyalAnc v3p164 (m.John ARUNDEL), RoyalAnc v3p161 (m.Gerald FITZGERALD), Faris PA2 p51 (m.Gerald FITZGERALD), PA p63(m.Gerald FITZGERALD), CP VII p234 (m.Gerald FITZGERALD), CP VII p692 (m.Gerald FITZGERALD)) or Eleanor (PA p182 (m.John ARUNDEL), MCA p16 (m.John ARUNDEL), Faris PA2 p160 (m.John ARUNDEL), Faris PA2 p65 (m.John ARUNDEL), Roberts RD600 p178 (m.John ARUNDEL)). My file (matching CP) has Eleanor m. John ARUNDEL, and Elizabeth m. Gerald FITZGERALD.
Eleanor GREY d/o Thomas GREY, K.G., Marquess of Dorset & Cicely BONVILLE, Baroness Harrington And Bonvil d. After 24 Feb 1501/2 m. 1496 Sir John ARUNDELL
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
name: Elizabeth [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p168]
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
name: Elizabeth [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p164]
CP citation with correct Information
(Elizabeth GREY & Genald FITZGERALD) date: [Ref: CP VII p234]
(Elizabeth GREY & Genald FITZGERALD) child: [Ref: CP VII p236]
(Elizabeth GREY & Genald FITZGERALD) child: [Ref: CP VII p240]
(Elizabeth GREY & Genald FITZGERALD) child: [Ref: CP VII p692]
CP VII p378 Lancaster Barony by Writ IV. 1362. 3. Blanche, de jure, according to modern doctrine, Baroness Lancaster, "… She m., 19 May 1359, John, Earl of Richmond (4th s. of Edward III), commonly known as John of Gaunt,"
also CP IV p204, CP VII p378, CP VII p411, CP VII p668
RoyalAnc v3p491 Lancaster 10 Blanche of LANCASTER "… subsequently married at Reading, Berkshire 13 May 1359 (by dispensation dated 6 Jan 1359, they being related in the 3rd and 4th degree of kindred) John of GAUNT, K.G. …"
This marriage was on 19 May 1359, as given in CP IV p204, CP VII p378, CP VII p411, CP VII p688, Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v22p101, and numerous other places.
John Of Gaunt K.G., Duke of Lancaster & Blanche Of Lancaster m. 19 May 1359 Reading
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
date: 13 May 1359 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p490]
CP citation with correct Information
date: [Ref: CP IV p204]
date: [Ref: CP VII p378]
date: [Ref: CP VII p411]
date: [Ref: CP VII p688]
CP VII p411 Lancaster Earldom V. 1361. 1 and 5. John "of Gaunt", "… On 19 May 1359 he married, at Reading, Blanche, younger da. and evetually sole h. of Henry, Duke of Lancaster."
also CP IV p204, CP VII p378, CP VII p411, CP VII p668
RoyalAnc v3p491 Lancaster 10 Blanche of LANCASTER "… subsequently married at Reading, Berkshire 13 May 1359 (by dispensation dated 6 Jan 1359, they being related in the 3rd and 4th degree of kindred) John of GAUNT, K.G. …"
This marriage was on 19 May 1359, as given in CP IV p204, CP VII p378, CP VII p411, CP VII p688, Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v22p101, and numerous other places.
John Of Gaunt K.G., Duke of Lancaster & Blanche Of Lancaster m. 19 May 1359 Reading
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
date: 13 May 1359 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p490]
CP citation with correct Information
date: [Ref: CP IV p204]
date: [Ref: CP VII p378]
date: [Ref: CP VII p411]
date: [Ref: CP VII p688]
CP VII p540(h) Leicester Earldom V. 1205? 1. Simon De MONTFORT, Seigneur of Montfort and Rochefort, Earl of Leicester, "… He m., circa 1190, Alice, da. of Bouchard De MONTMORENCY, by Laura or Laurentia, da. of Baldwin, Count of Hainault. She d. 24 Feb. 1221, and was bur. with her husband(h)." Note (h): "Simon and Alice had 4 sons, and daughters Pernel and Amice. … Of the daughters of Simon and Alice, (1) Pernel m., 1stly, Piers de COURTENAY, who was dead before 1259, and by whom she had a daughter Amice;"
RoyalAnc v1p144 Artois 10 Robert II, Count of Artois, "… married (by treaty dated 13 June 1259) Amice de Courtenay, daughter and heiress of Pierre de Courtenay, seigneur of Conches in Normandy, Mehun-sur-Yevre and Selles in Berry, etc, by Perenelle (or Petronelle), daughter and heiress of Gaucher II de Joigny, signeur of Chateaurenard, Seneschal of Niverans."
CP VII p540 note h gives parents of Amice de Courtenay: "Simon [de Montfort] and Alice [de Montmorency] had four sons, and daughters Pernel and Amice. … Of the daughters of Simon and Alice, (1) Pernel m., 1stly, Piers de Courtenay, who was dead before 1259, and by whom she had a daughter Amice…" No discussion in GEN-MEDIEVAL about a correction to this text in CP.
Amice De COURTENAY d/o Pierre De COURTENAY, Lord Of Conches & Pernel De MONTFORT [ES:III-57] b. Abt 1250 d. 1275 Rome u. St Peters, Rome m. 13 Jun 1262 Paris Robert II Count Of Artois
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
mother: Perenelle de Joigny [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p144]
CP citation with correct Information
parents: [Ref: CP VII p540(h)]
CP VII p599 Lennox Earldom XIII. 1526. 13 or 4. Matthew (STUART), Earl of Lennox and Lord Darnley, "… He m., 29 June 1544, at St. James's Palace, Margaret, da. of Archibald (DOUGLAS), Earl of Angus, by his 2nd wife, the Lady Margaret TUDOR, Queen DOwager of Scotland, and da. of Henry VII. … She, who was b. 6 Oct. 1515 (with corr in XIV p432),"
RoyalAnc v1p673 Brus 15 James IV of Scotland"…Child of Margaret TUDOR by Archibald DOUGLAS: …i. Margaret DOUGLAS … married at St James Place, London, 6 July 1544 Matthew STEWART …"
Their marriage was on 29 Jun 1544, as given in CP VII p599, and confirmed by Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v1p164. Neil notes that 6 July is often given, following DNB and Fraser, and that 6 July 1544 was the date of the English Naturalization of the Earl. The error is also found in SP and Paget v1p217. A letter from the Spanish ambassador to Emperor Charles V, dated 29 Jun 1544, states that the marriage was made that morning, and is cited by CP VII p599(b).
Matthew STEWART, Earl Of Lennox & Margaret DOUGLAS m. 29 Jun 1544 St James Palace
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
date: 6 Jul 1544 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p673]
CP citation with correct Information
date: [Ref: CP VII p599]
CP VII p680 Lincoln Earldom VII 1232. 1. John De LACY, "… He m., 2ndly, before 21 June 1221, Margaret, da. of Robert de QUINCY, by Hawise … [she] d. before 30 Mar. 1266, at Hampstead, and was bur. In the church of the Hospitallers at Clerkenwell, near her father."
also CP XII/2 p751(d), CP VII p680
RoyalAnc v4p46 Marshal 3 William MARSHAL, Knt "… Children of William Marshal, Knt, by Isabel de Clare: … iv. Walter MARSHAL, Knt, 8th Earl of Pembroke, … married 6 Jan 1421/2 Margaret (or Margery) de QUINCY … Margaret, Countess of Lincoln and Pembroke, died at Hampstead, Middlesex shortly before 30 March 1266, and was buried near her father in the Church of the Hospitallers, Clerkenwell, Middlesex."
RoyalAnc v4p441 Quincy 6 Saher (or Saier) de QUINCY, Knt "… Children of Saher de Quincy, Knt, by Margaret of Leicester: i. Robert de QUINCY … died at London in 1217, …"
Two places in CP, XII/2 p751 and VII p676, said Robert QUINCEY died in London. One of those, VII p676, was removed by the corrections in volume XIV, but the other was left unchanged. Burial place has conflicting information in CP, XII/2 p751(d) says Brackley, and VII p680 says Clerkenwell.
Robert De QUINCEY s/o Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret & Margaret BEAUMONT [CP:XII/2-751, ES:III-708, AR:54-28] b. 1 d. 1217 u. Brackley m. Abt 1197 Hawise Of Chester, Countess Of Lincoln
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
death place: London [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p441]
CP citation with incorrect Information (but matching RoyalAncestry)
death place: London (CP XII/2 p751) but identical text was removed in CP VII p676 by corr in XIV p436 [Ref: CP VII p676 (with corr in XIV p436)]
CP citation with incorrect Information (but matching RoyalAncestry)
death place: London (CP XII/2 p751) but identical text was removed in CP VII p676 by corr in XIV p436 [Ref: CP XII/2 p751]
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
burial place: church of the Hospitallers at Clerkenwell [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p46]
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
burial place: church of the Hospitallers at Clerkenwell [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p441]
CP citation with correct Information
burial place: [Ref: CP XII/2 p751(d)]
CP citation with incorrect Information (but matching RoyalAncestry)
burial place: church of the Hospitallers at Clerkenwell [Ref: CP VII p680]
CP VII p688 Lincoln Earldom XII. 1362. 2. John "of Gaunt", Earl of Richmond, "… having m., 19 May 1359, Blanche, yr. da. and eventually (10 Apr. 1362) sole h. of Henry, Duke of Lancaster, Earl of Lincoln, etc,"
also CP IV p204, CP VII p378, CP VII p411, CP VII p668
RoyalAnc v3p491 Lancaster 10 Blanche of LANCASTER "… subsequently married at Reading, Berkshire 13 May 1359 (by dispensation dated 6 Jan 1359, they being related in the 3rd and 4th degree of kindred) John of GAUNT, K.G. …"
This marriage was on 19 May 1359, as given in CP IV p204, CP VII p378, CP VII p411, CP VII p688, Neil Thompson _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v22p101, and numerous other places.
John Of Gaunt K.G., Duke of Lancaster & Blanche Of Lancaster m. 19 May 1359 Reading
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
date: 13 May 1359 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p490]
CP citation with correct Information
date: [Ref: CP IV p204]
date: [Ref: CP VII p378]
date: [Ref: CP VII p411]
date: [Ref: CP VII p688]
CP VII p692 Lincoln Earldom XVI. 1572. 1. Edward (CLINTON, otherwise FIENNES), Lord Clinton, "… He m., 3rdly, at Sampringham (post-nupt. Settlement 1 Oct. 1552), Elizabeth, widow of Sir Anthony BROWNE (d. 1548), and yst. da. of Gerald (FITZGERALD), 9th Earl of Kildare, by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, da. of Thomas (GREY), Marquess of Dorset."
also CP VII p234, CP VII p692
RoyalAnc v2p168 Chidiock 16 John ARUNDEL, K.B. "… married (1st) in 1496 [Lady] Elizabeth GREY, daughter of Thomas GREY, K.G., K.B., 1st Marquess of Dorset, … by his 2nd wife Cecily, suo jure Lady Harington and Bonville, daughter of William BONVILLE, Knt, 6th Lord Harington."
RoyalAnc v3p164 Groby 17 Thomas GREY, K.G., Lord Ferrers of Groby "… He married (2nd) by marriage contract dated 18 July 1474 … Cecily BONVILLE, … They had seven sons … and seven daughters … Elizabeth, … Children of Thomas Grey, K.G., K.B., by Cecily Bonville: … vii [Lady] Elizabeth GREY, married John ARUNDELL, K.B. …"
Two daughters of Thomas GREY and Cecily BONVILLE. Elizabeth (RoyalAnc v2p168 (m.John ARUNDEL), RoyalAnc v3p164 (m.John ARUNDEL), RoyalAnc v3p161 (m.Gerald FITZGERALD), Faris PA2 p51 (m.Gerald FITZGERALD), PA p63(m.Gerald FITZGERALD), CP VII p234 (m.Gerald FITZGERALD), CP VII p692 (m.Gerald FITZGERALD)) or Eleanor (PA p182 (m.John ARUNDEL), MCA p16 (m.John ARUNDEL), Faris PA2 p160 (m.John ARUNDEL), Faris PA2 p65 (m.John ARUNDEL), Roberts RD600 p178 (m.John ARUNDEL)). My file (matching CP) has Eleanor m. John ARUNDEL, and Elizabeth m. Gerald FITZGERALD.
Eleanor GREY d/o Thomas GREY, K.G., Marquess of Dorset & Cicely BONVILLE, Baroness Harrington And Bonvil d. After 24 Feb 1501/2 m. 1496 Sir John ARUNDELL
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
name: Elizabeth [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p168]
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
name: Elizabeth [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p164]
CP citation with correct Information
(Elizabeth GREY & Genald FITZGERALD) date: [Ref: CP VII p234]
(Elizabeth GREY & Genald FITZGERALD) child: [Ref: CP VII p236]
(Elizabeth GREY & Genald FITZGERALD) child: [Ref: CP VII p240]
(Elizabeth GREY & Genald FITZGERALD) child: [Ref: CP VII p692]
CP VIII p255 Lucy Barony by Writ VII. 1399. John MELTON, Knight, de jure Lord Lucy, "… He is said to have m. Margaret, da. of Roger (CLIFFORD), Lord Clifford."
also CP V p434, CP VIII p255
RoyalAnc v2p277 Codnor 16 John ZOUCHE (or SOUCHE), Esq "… His widow Eleanor married John MELTON, Knt, … son and heir of John MELTON, Knt, … by Margaret, daughter of Roger de Clifford, Knt, 5th Lord Clifford."
Margaret wife of Sir John MELTON, was daughter of William FITZ HUGH and Margery de WILLOUGHBY, as stated in CP V p434, and also in RoyalAnc v2p632.
Margery FITZ HUGH d/o William FITZ HUGH, Lord FitzHugh & Margery De WILLOUGHBY b. 6 m. Abt 1454 Sir John MELTON
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
father: Sir Roger CLIFFORD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p277]
CP citation with correct Information
parents: [Ref: CP V p434f]
father: [Ref: CP VIII p255]
CP VIII p255 Lucy Barony by Writ VII. 1399. John MELTON, Knight, de jure Lord Lucy, … VIII. 1455 John MELTON, Knight, de jure Lord Lucy, s. and h.; … [John MELTON, esquire, s. and h. … d.v.p.] … IX. 1474. John MELTON, Knight, de jure Lord Lucy, "grandson and h. … The name of his wife is unknown."
RoyalAnc v4p80 Melton 11 John MELTON, Knt "… Children of John Melton, Knt, by Margaret Clifford: i. John MELTON, Knt, married Eleanor SAINT JOHN [see Codnor 16]."
John MELTON, 7th Lord Lucy, is on CP VIII p255. His son, another John MELTON, 8th Lord Lucy, married Elizabeth HILTON. Their son, another John MELTON, heir apparent, married Margery FITZHUGH. Their son, another John MELTON, 9th Lord Lucy, whose wife is unknown, died 1510, and appears in RoyalAnc as son of Melton 11 [directed to Codnor 16]. Three generations of John MELTON's are skipped in RoyalAnc.
Sir John MELTON, Lord Lucy s/o Sir John MELTON & Margery FITZ HUGH [CP:VIII-255] b. 2 Feb 1454/5 Aston d. 11 Jun 1510 m. After 1501 Elizabeth St JOHN
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
parents: Sir John MELTON & Margaret CLIFFORD [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p80]
CP citation with correct Information
parents: [Ref: CP VIII p255]
CP VIII p527 Marshal William MARSHAL, "knight, br. and h., acted as deputy Marshal in Ireland, as above. … He m. Elizabeth, da. of Robert (De FERRERS), 6th Earl of Derby (with corr in XIV p468)"
also CP VIII p527 (with corr in XIV p468), CP IV p202(a)
RoyalAnc v2p562 Ferrers 7 William de FERRERS "… He married (2nd) in or before 1238 Margaret (or Margery) De QUINCY, … They had two sons … and three daughters, Elizabeth, Joan, and Agnes. … Children of William de Ferrers, Knt, by Margaret de Quincy: … iii. Elizabeth de FERRERS, married (1st) (as his 2nd wife) William MARSHAL … through source citations."
RoyalAnc v3p286 Hingham 5 William MARSHAL "… He married (2nd) Elizabeth de FERRERS, daughter of William de Ferrers, Knt, 5th Earl of Derby, by his 2nd wife, Margaret (or Margery), daughter of Roger de Quincy, Knt, 2nd Earl of Winchester [see Ferrers 7 for her ancestry]."
Elizabeth, second wife of William MARSHAL, was daughter of Robert de FERRERS, 6th Earl of Derby, as given in CP VIII p527 (with corr in XIV p468), by his first wife, as given in CP IV p202(a).
Elizabeth De FERRERS d/o Robert De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby & Mary De Lusignan d. After Jun 1297 m. 2 Sir William MARSHAL m2. Before 1275 Dafydd Ap Gruffyd, Prince Of Gwynedd
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
parents: William de FERRERS & Margaret de QUINCY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p562]
CP citation with correct Information
parents: [Ref: CP IV p202(a)]
parents: [Ref: CP VIII p527 (with corr in XIV p468)]
CP VIII p538 Martin Barony by Writ II. 1324 to 1325. 2. William (MARTIN), Lord Martin, "… He m. Margaret, da. of John De HASTINGES [Lord Hastinges], by his 2nd wife, Isabel, da. of Hugh (Le DESPENSER), Earl of Winchester."
also CP VIII p538, CP XII/2 p433
RoyalAnc v3p258 Hastingss 10 John de HASTGINS, Kng "… Children of John de Hastings, Knt, by Isabel de Valence: … v. Margaret de HASTINGS, …"
RoyalAnc v4p60 Martin 10 William MARTIN (or MARTYN), Knt "… Children of William Martin, Knt, by Eleanor Fitz Reynold: … ii. William MARTIN, 2nd Lord Martin, … married Margaret de HASTINGS, daughter of John de HASTINGS, Knt, 1st Lord Hastings, by his 1st wife, Isabel, daughter of William de Valence, Knt."
Margaret Hastings was dau of John Hastings by his 2nd wife Isabel Despenser, according to CP VIII p538, and CP XII/2 p433. Richardson posted a large Hastings family tree to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 12/14/2008 ("Revised Hastings Pedigree"), without any sources cited for the CP-discrepancies. There was a long discussion, which generally ignored the pedigree.
Margaret HASTINGS d/o Sir John De HASTINGS, Lord Hastings & Isabel DESPENSER d. 7 Jul 1359 m. 1 William MARTIN, Lord Martin m2. 19 May 1326 Marlborough, Wiltshire Robert De WATEVILLE, Lord Wateville
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
mother: Isabel De VALENCE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p258]
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
mother: Isabel de VALENCE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p60]
CP citation with correct Information
parents: [Ref: CP VIII p538]
parents: [Ref: CP XII/2 p433]
CP IX p13 Mohaut Roger De MOHAUT, "… He d. 28 June 1260."
RoyalAnc v4p149 Morley 6 Cecily D'AUBIGNEY ", married Roger de MOHAUT (or MONTALT), Knt, … Sir Roger de MOHAUT died 18 June 1260."
Roger died 28 Jun 1260 as given in CP IX p13.
Roger De MOHAUT, Steward Of Chester s/o Roger De MOHAUT, Steward Of Chester & Nichole [CP:IX-12] d. 28 Jun 1260 m. Cecily D'AUBIGNY
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
date: 18 Jun 1260 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p149]
CP citation with correct Information
date: [Ref: CP IX p13]
CP IX p276 Mortimer Ralph De MORTIMER, "… He m., in 1230, Gladys (Gladusa) Duy, or Dark-eyed, da. of Llewelyn Ap JORWORTH, by his 2nd wife, Joan (illegit. da. of King John)"
also CP I p22, CP IX p276
RoyalAnc v1p555 Briwerre 4 Grace BRIWERRE "… married (as his 1st wife) Reynold de BREWES (or BREUSE, BRAUSE, BRAOSE), Knt, of Kington, Herefordshire, … He married (2nd) in 1215 Gwladus Ddu of Wales, daughter of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales, by Joan, legitimated daughter of King John of England"
The mother of Gladys DHU is either Joan or Tangwystl, and most sources agree this far. CP++ (Abergavenny) gives both and says no clear contemporary evidence exists. Reitwiesner's article on Joan The Genealogist, vol 1 pp80-95 seems best source. His summary (page 85): WG (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies) gives Tangwystl, DNB (Distionary of National Biography) says it is unclear, MPW (Roderick, Marriage and Politics in Wales) and Baronage (Paget) give Joan, CP gives Joan, JPW (Walter Lee Sheppard, TAG v35p29-33, et seq) at first gives Joan, but at end of series (particularly TAG v41p122(1965)) gives Tangwystl. I go with Tangwystl.
Gladys DHU d/o Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales & Tangwystl Of Rhos [AR:27-28] d. 1251 Windsor, Berkshire u. Wigmore Abbey, Herefordshire m. 1215 Reginald De BRAOS, Baron Of Bramber m2. Before 26 Oct 1230 Ralph MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
RoyalAnc citation with Inaccurate Information
mother: Joan [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555]
Reliable source (other than CP) with correct Information
mother: either Joan or Tangwystl, no clear contemporary evidence [Ref: CP++(proposed) Abergavenny 12/31/2006 (CP I p22)]
CP citation with incorrect Information (but matching RoyalAncestry)
mother: Joan (#13331) [Ref: CP I p22]
CP citation with incorrect Information (but matching RoyalAncestry)
mother: Joan (#13331) [Ref: CP IX p276]
CP IX p390 Mulgrave Earldom I. 1626. 1. Edmund (SHEFFIELD), Baron Sheffield, "… He m., 1stly, before 13 Nov. 1581, at her father's house at Thornton College, co. Lincoln, according to the rites of the Roman Communion, Ursula, da. of Sir Robert TYRWHITT, of Kettleby, co. Lincoln, by Elizabeth, da. and h. of Sir Thomas OXENBRIDGE, of Etchingham, Sussex."
RoyalAnc v3p517 Lancaster 12 Henry V of England "… Children of Katherine of France, by Owen Tudor, Esq: … ii. Jasper TUDOR … He married Katherine WYDEVILLE, … Katherine married (3rd) Richard WINGFIELD, K.G., … Richard married (2nd) Bridget WILTSHIRE … Bridget married (3rd) Robert TYRWHIT … Robert married (2nd) Elizabeth OXENBRIDGE, Lady of the Privy Chamber to Queen Jane Seymour and daughter of Goddard Oxenbridge, Knt, of Brede, Sussex. … His wife, Elizabeth, died in 1578."
RoyalAnc v5p21 Stafford 12 Henry (or Harry) STAFFORD, K.G., K.B., 2nd Duke of Buckingham "… He married Katherine WYDEVILLE, … Katherine married (3rd) Richard WINGFIELD, … Richard married (2nd) Bridget WILTSHIRE, … Bridget married (3rd) Robert TYRWHIT (or WYRWHITT, TIRWHITE), Knt, … Robert married (2nd) after April 1558 and before 4 August 1539 Elizabeth OXENBRIDGE, Lady of the Privy Chamber to Queen Jane Seymour, and daughter of Goddard Oxenbridge, Knt, of Brede, Sussex. … His wife, Elizabeth, died in 1578."
Elizabeth OXENBRIDGE either daughter of Goddard OXENBRIDGE, or granddaughter. RoyalAnc v3p517 and RoyalAnc v5p21 says daughter. RoyalAnc v2p280, RoyalAnc v2p486 and RoyalAnc v5p227 says granddaughter, along with PA p283, Faris PA2 p128, Faris PA2 p364, Faris PA2 p327, CP IX p390. RoyalAnc v5p227 says she was age 11 in 1540, which means she was in the IPM of Thomas, son of Goddard.
Elizabeth OXENBRIDGE d/o Sir Thomas OXENBRIDGE & Elizabeth PUTTENHAM b. Abt 1529 d. 1589 u. 25 Jan 1589/90 Bigby, Lincolnshire m. Before 4 Aug 1539 Sir Robert TYRWHITT
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father: Goddard OXENBRIDGE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p517]
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father: Goddard OXENBRIDGE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p21]
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father: [Ref: CP IX p390]
CP IX p422 Munchensy Warin De MUNCHENSY, "br. And h., unm. And apparently a minor at his brother's death, … He m., 2ndly, between Nov. 1234 and June 1235, Denise, widow of Walter LANGTON, of Langton, Lincs, and Ridgwell, Essex (d. 1234), and da. and h. of Nicholas de ANESTY, of Ansty and Little Hormead, Herts, probably by a sister of Hamond PECCHE. … She d. 1304 (following text deleted in XIV p493) and was bur. in the church ov the Grey Friars, London."
RoyalAnc v4p48 Marshal 4 Joan MARSHAL "married … Warin de MUNCHENSY … He married (2nd) … Denise de ANESTY, … She died shortly before 23 May 1304, and was buried in the church of the Grey Friars, Loncon."
CP IX p422 originally said she was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars, London, but that text was removed in the corrections in XIV p493.
Denise De ANESTY d/o Nicholas De ANESTY & Alice De PECCHE d. Abt 23 May 1304 m. 1 Walter LANGTON m2. Abt 1235 Sir Warin De MUNCHENSY, Baron Of Swanscombe m3. Before 4 Jun 1260 Robert Le BOTELER
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place: church of the Grey Friars, London [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p48]
CP IX p502 Notes to the Conjectural Early Generations of the Chart Pedigree of Neville
Note(h): "Sir Hugh de NEVILLE, s. of Geoffrey, … Hugh de NEVILLE m. Margaret, da. of Thomas, s. of Thomas de FURNIVAL,"
RoyalAnc v3p46 Furnival 8 Thomas de FURNIVAL "… married Bertha de FERRERS … They had two sons … and two daughters, Margaret (wife of Hugh de Neville and Hugh de Miton) "
Margaret was daughter of Thomas de FURNIVAL given in Furnival 9 on v3p47 and his unknown wife. See CP IX p502 "Notes to the Conjectural Early Generations of the Chart Pedigree of Neville" note (h) "Hugh de Neville m. Margaret, da. of Thomas, s. of Thomas de Furnival …". See also posting of John Ravilious to GEN-MEDIEVAL 6/16/2005.
Margaret De FURNIVAL d/o Sir Thomas De FURNIVAL & d. After 1289 m. 1 Hugh De NEVILLE m2. Abt 1284 Hugh De MITON
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parents: Thomas de FURNIVAL & Bertha De FERRERS [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p46]
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father: [Ref: CP IX p502f(h)]
CP IX p756 Northwode Barony by Writ. I. 1313. 1. John de NORTHWODE, "… [John de NORTHWODE, s. and h. ap., … He m. Agnes, da. and eventually, in her issue, coh. (corr in XIV p511) of William GRANDISON [Lord Grandison], by Sibyl, yr. da. and coh. of Sir John TREGOZ [Lord Tregoz] (corr in XIV p511)."
also CP I p418 (with corr in XIV p64), CP IX p756, CP VI p68 (with corr in XIV p348)
RoyalAnc v1p252 Bardolf 12 Thomas BARDOLF "… He married AGNES ___, said to be daughter of William de Grandison, Knt, 1st Lord Grandison."
RoyalAnc v4p153 Morley 10 William de MORLEY, Knt "… married … Cecily BARDOLF, daughter of Thomas BARDOLF, Knt, 2nd Lord Bardolf, of Wormegay, Norfolk, by Agnes, said to be daughter of William de GRANDISON (or GAUNSON), Knt, 1st Lord Grandison."
Agnes wife of Thomas Bardolf (CP I p418 as corrected by XIV p64) "he m. Agnes, perhaps a grandson[bad correction??? maybe should say "a Grandison"](a). He d. 15 Dec 1329." Note(a) revised to say (at end) "seems unlikely to have been da of William Seigneur of Grandison by Blanche of Savoy, as suggested previously. See for example, [ES XI #154]" (but ES XI #154 says nothing about William and wife Blanche of Savoy, and Weis AR7 #257 still says WIlliam & Blanche and cites CP I 418). However, William Grandison, 1st Lord Grandison, had a daughter Agnes, who married John de Northwode (CP IX p756, CP VI p68 (with corr in XIV p348)). It seems very unlikely that there was a second daughter named Agnes, or that Agnes married both John de Northwode (before 1307) and Thomas Bardolf (certainly before 1313). Leaving her as "unknown parentage" seems best.
Agnes De GRANDSON d/o William De GRANDSON, Seigneur De Grandson & Blanche De SAVOIE d. 11 Dec 1357 Ruskington, Co Lincoln m. Sir Thomas BARDOLF, Lord Bardolf
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father: William de Grandison (or Graunson) 1st Lord Grandison [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p252]
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father: William de Grandison (or Graunson) 1st Lord Grandison [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p153]
CP IX p756 Northwode Barony by Writ. I. 1313. 1. John de NORTHWODE, "… [John de NORTHWODE, s. and h. ap., … He m. Agnes, da. and eventually, in her issue, coh. (corr in XIV p511) of William GRANDISON [Lord Grandison], by Sibyl, yr. da. and coh. of Sir John TREGOZ [Lord Tregoz] (corr in XIV p511). … She d. 4 Dec 1348."
RoyalAnc v4p568 Say 8 William de SAY, Knt "… Children of William de Say, Knt, by Elizabeth ___: … ii. Mary de Say, probable daughter. She married before 1290 … John de NORTHWODE, … He married (2nd) before 1307 Agnes de GRANDISON, … His widow, Agnes, died 4 Dec 1349."
Agnes died 4 Dec 1348, as shown in CP IX p756, and also 3 (or 4) Dec 1348 on RoyalAnc v3p101. This looks like a typo.
Agnes De GRANDISON d/o Sir William De GRANDISON, Lord Grandison & Sibilla TREGOZE d. 4 Dec 1348 m. Before 1307 John De NORTHWODE
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date: 4 Dec 1349 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p568]
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date: [Ref: CP IX p756]
CP IX p764 Chart Pedigree of Norwich
Piers BRAUNCHE =1 Catherine da. of John de HEDERSETE 2= Sir Walter de NORWICH d. 1329
Cicely de NORWICH = Sir Roger de HUNTINGIELD d. 1337.
Elizabeth de HUNTINGFIELD = Richard FAUNCEYS
also CP IX p766 Norwich Barony by Writ II. 1362 to 1373. 2. John de NORWICH, Lord Norwich, "… He m., 2ndly, Eleanor, da. of Richard FRAUNCEYS (s. of John FRAUNCEYS, of Winipole, Cambs), by Elizabeth, da. of Sir Roger de HUNTINGFIELD (d. 1337) and sister of William, 1st Lord Huntingfield."
also CP VI p670 (with corr in XIV p397), CP IX p766, CP IX p766(e), CP IX p764
RoyalAnd v3p382 Huntingfield 10 Roger de HUNTINGFIELD, Knt "… married before 1313-14 (dated of fine) Eleanor ___. They had one son, Roger, and two daughters, Elizabeth (wife of Thomas de SYWARDBY) and Elizabeth (wife of Richard FRANCIS (or FRAUNCEYS))."
CP VI p670 (with corr in XIV) clearly says she was brother of William 1st Lord Huntingfield. CP IX p766 and p766(e) agree. CP IX p764 says parents are Roger Huntingfield & Cicely Norwich. See GEN-MEDIEVAL discussion about a CP correction, and Chris Phillips questioning it. Some other geneologists reconcile this by having two daughters Elizabeth daughters of Roger Huntingfield & Eleanor (citing MCA2 v2p442 and RoyalAnc v3p381, though neither says there were two Elizabeths in that family).
Elizabeth De HUNTINGFIELD d/o Sir Roger De HUNTINGFIELD & Cicely De NORWICH d. After 1343 m. Before 1338 Richard FRAUNCEYS
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parents: Roger de HUNTINGFIELD & Eleanor ___ [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p382]
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parents: [Ref: CP IX p764]
parents: [Ref: CP IX p766(e)]
father: [Ref: CP IX p766]
brother: William 1st Lord Huntingfield [Ref: CP IX p766]
brother: William 1st Lord Huntingfield [Ref: CP VI p670 (with corr in XIV p397)]
(of William 1st Lord Huntingfield) parents: [Ref: CP IX p764]
(of William 1st Lord Huntingfield) parents: [Ref: CP VI p668]
CP X p16 Offaly Maurice FITZGERALD, "grandson and h., … He m., 2ndly, in 1266, Agnes de VALENCE, 2nd da. of William (De VALENCE), sometmes styled (corr in XIV p514) Earl of Pembroke (the King's half-brother), by Joan, sister and h. of the whole blood of John De MUNCHENSY (d. 1247), da. of Warin de MUNCHENSY, Lord of Swanscombe (corr in XIV p514). … Agnes m., 3rdly, John D'AVESNES, Seigneur de Beaumont (d. 1283),"
RoyalAnc v4p54 Marshal 5 Joan de MUNCHENSY "… Children of William de Valence, Knt, by Joan de Munchensy: … iv. Agnes de VALENCE. … Agnes married (3rd) Jean D'AVESNES … Jean D'AVESNES died 17 Feb 1279,"
CP X p16 says he died in 1283. No GEN-MEDIEVAL discussion about a correction here.
John D'AVESNES, Seigneur De Beaumont s/o Baldwin De AVESNES & Felicite De Coucy b. 2 d. 1283 u. Choir of the Dominicans in Valenciennes m. After 1271 Agnes De VALENCE
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date: 17 Feb 1279 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p54]
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date: [Ref: CP X p16]
CP X p96 Orkney Earldom[S] II. 1400? 2. Henry (SINCLAIR), Earl of Orkney, "… He m., before 17 Nov. 1407, Jill, da. and h. of Sir William DOUGLAS, of Nithsdale, by Jill, da. of Robert II, King of Scotland. … His widow m., 2ndly, after 29 Apr. 1422, Alexander STEWART, 3rd s. of Murdoch, 2nd Duke of Albany,"
RoyalAnc v1p641 Brus 10 "… Children of Robert II of Scotland, by Euphema of Ross: … iii. Gilles STEWART married abt 1387 William de DOUGLAS … … Children of Giles Stewart by William de Douglas, Knt: … b. Giles de DOUGLAS … married (2nd) by dispensation dated 29 April 1418 Alexander STEWART, …"
The marriage of Giles de DOUGLAS to Alexander STEWART was after 29 April 1422, according to CP X p96. The dispensation was dated 3 Kal May (29 April) 1422 (SP VI p570 (with corr in IX p146). Neil Thompson in _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v4p146(8) notes that the date is not 1418, as given in SP VI 570-1 (which was the text prior to the correction in SP IX).
Sir Alexander STEWART & Jill DOUGLAS m. After 29 Apr 1422
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date: disp 29 Apr 1418 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p641]
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date: disp 3 Kal May (29 Apr) 1422 [Ref: SP VI p570 (with corr in IX p146)]
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note: not 1418, as in SP 6 570-1 [Ref: Thompson CharlesII v04-146(8)]
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date: after 29 Apr 1422 [Ref: CP X p96]
CP X p348? Pembroke or Penbroke, Earldom. I. 1138. 1. Gilbert FITZGILBERT, "… he joined his mother, his 2 syrviving brothers and his sister Rohese in granting a charter for Thorney Abbey(e)." Note (e): "… Besides Rohese, … Gilbert had 2 sisters - Alice, who m. Aubrey de VERE (see Oxford), and Margaret, who m. William de MONTFITCHET; but the Alice, who m. William de PERCY, was probably his niece; see Percy."
RoyalAnc v2p174 Clare 2 Gilbert FITZ RICHARD (also styled De CLARE and De TONBRIDGE) "…Children of Gilbert Fitz Richard, by Alice de Clermont: … vi. Alice De TONBRIDGE, married William de PERCY, of Topcliffe, Yorkshire [see Percy 3]."
RoyalAnc v4p344 Percy 3 William de PERCY "… He married (1st) before 1136 Alice (or Aliza, Adelida, Adelidis) De TONBRIDGE, daughter of Gilbert Fitz Richard (also styled de Clare and de Tonbridge), of Clare, Suffolk … by Alice, daughter of Hugues, seigneur of Clermont … [see Clare 2 for her ancestry]."
Adeliza de TONBRIDGE is shown as daughter of Richard FITZ GILBERT and Adeliza Le MESCHIN in Keats-Rohan DD p397 (with Rosie Bevan's corrections), and p631, Michael Altschul's _Baronial Family in Medieval Europe, the Clares_ chart#1, and ES III #710. Also, CP X p348(e) states "Alice, who m. William de Percy was probably his[Gilbert 1st Earl of Pembroke's] niece"
Adeliza De TUNBRIDGE d/o Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare & Adeliza Le MESCHIN [ES:III-156] d. After 1148 m. Before 1136 William De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe
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parents: Gilbert Fitz Richard & Adeliza De Clermont [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p174]
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parents: Gilbert Fitz Richard & Adeliza De Clermont [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p344]
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uncle: Gilbert FitzGilbert 1st Earl of Pembroke [Ref: CP X p348(e)]
CP X p375 Pembroke Earldom VIII. 1241. 8. Walter (MARSHAL), Earl of Pembroke, "… He d.s.p., before 12 Mar. 1244/5 (with corr in XIV p521)"
RoyalAnc v4p46 Marshal 3 William MARSHAL, Knt "… Children of William Marshal, Knt, by Isabel de Clare: … iv. Walter MARSHAL, Knt, 8th Earl of Pembroke, … died at Goodrich Castle, Herefordshire 24 Nov 1245, …"
Walter MARSHAL died before 12 Mar 1244/5, CP X p375 (with corr in XIV p521).
Sir Walter MARSHALL, Earl Of Pembroke s/o Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke & Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke [CP:X-374] b. After 1198 d. Before 12 Mar 1244/5 Goodrich Castle u. Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire m. 6 Jan 1241/2 Margaret De QUINCY, Heiress Of Lincoln
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date: 24 Nov 1245 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p46]
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date: 1245 [Ref: CP VII p680]
date: before 12 Mar 1244/5 [Ref: CP X p375 (with corr in XIV p521)]
CP X p402 Pembroke Earldom XVIII. 1469 to 1479. 2. William (HERBERT), Earl of Pembroke and Lord Herbert, "… He m., 1stly, 20 Jan. 1466/7 (with corr in XIV p522), at Windsor, Mary, sister of the Queen Consort Elizabeth,"
RoyalAnc v3p280 Herbert 18 William HERBERT "… married (1st) at Windsor, Berkshire in Sept 1466 Mary WYDEVILLE…"
Their marriage was on 20 Jan 1466/7, as given in CP X p402 (with corr in XIV p522).
William HERBERT, Earl Of Pembroke & Mary WYDEVILLE m. 20 Jan 1466/7 Windsor, Berkshire
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date: Sep 1466 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p280]
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date: [Ref: CP X p402 (with corr in XIV p522)]
CP X p443 Percy William De PERCY, "s. and h. In Feb. 1136 … He m., … 2ndly, circa 1166, Sibyl De VALOGNES, … She was living in 1212; and was bur. at Nun Appleton Priory."
also CP X p443, CP XI p91
RoyalAnc v4p345 Percy 3 William de PERCY "… He married (2nd) … Sibyl de VALOINES, … was living in 1212. At her death, she was buried at Nun Appleton Priory, Yorkshire."
While numerous sources (including CP and Keats-Rohan DomesdayDescendants) show her burial at Nun Appleton Priory, John Watson showed this to be incorrect in his GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 1/7/2012
Sibyl De VALOGNES d/o Thebaud De VALOGNES & d. After 1212 m. 1 Robert De ROS, Baron Of Helmsley m2. Abt 1166 William De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe m3. Abt 1181 Ralph D'AUBIGNY
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place: Nun Appleton Priory [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p345]
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place: unknown [Ref: John Watson SGM 1/7/2012-184411]
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place: Nun Appleton Priory [Ref: CP X p443]
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place: Nun Appleton Priory [Ref: CP XI p91]
CP X p804 Richmond Earldom V. 1219 to 1235. 1. Piers De BRAINE, "… He m., 2ndly, about Jan. 1234/5, Margaret, Lady of Montagau and La Garnache, widow of Hugh de THOUARS, Vicomte of Thouars, next br. Of Guy abovenamed, who d.s.p., 1230 (before May), and da. and h. of Maurice de MONTAIGU, Lord of Montaigu, by Chaboce (parentage unknown)."
RoyalAnc v1p547 Brittany 7 Alix (or Alicia, Aaliz, Aelis, Aelidis) de THOUARS, Duchess of Brittany, Countess of Richmond "… She married March 1212/3 Pierre de BRAINE, Chev, Duke of Brittany, Earl of Richmond, … He married (2nd) before August 1235 Marguerite de MONTAIGU, Lady of Montagy, la Garnache-en-Poitou, … daughter and heiress of Maurice, seigneur of Montaigu, by his wife Elvis de la Garnache."
Parents of Margaret de MONTAIGU are given in CP X p804 as Maurice de MONTAIGU and Chaboce (parentage unknown).
Margaret De MONTAGU d/o Maurice De MONTAGU, Lord Montagu & Chaboce b. Abt 1188 d. 27 Nov 1241 m. Before 1203 Hugh De THOUARS, Vicomte Of Thouars m2. Abt Jan 1234/5 Pierre De DREUX, Count Of Brittany
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mother: Elvie de la Garnache [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p547]
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parents: [Ref: CP X p804]
CP XI p91 Ros or Roos of Helmsley Robert de ROS, "br. And h., confirmed (1147-53) to Rievaulx … He m. Sibyl de VALOGNES … She was living in 1212, possibly in 1218, and was bur. at Nun Appleton Priory."
also CP X p443, CP XI p91
RoyalAnc v4p345 Percy 3 William de PERCY "… He married (2nd) … Sibyl de VALOINES, … was living in 1212. At her death, she was buried at Nun Appleton Priory, Yorkshire."
While numerous sources (including CP and Keats-Rohan DomesdayDescendants) show her burial at Nun Appleton Priory, John Watson showed this to be incorrect in his GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 1/7/2012
Sibyl De VALOGNES d/o Thebaud De VALOGNES & d. After 1212 m. 1 Robert De ROS, Baron Of Helmsley m2. Abt 1166 William De PERCY, Baron Of Topcliffe m3. Abt 1181 Ralph D'AUBIGNY
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place: Nun Appleton Priory [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p345]
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place: unknown [Ref: John Watson SGM 1/7/2012-184411]
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place: Nun Appleton Priory [Ref: CP X p443]
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place: Nun Appleton Priory [Ref: CP XI p91]
CP XI p303 Saint Amand Barony by Writ. VII. 1491. 6. Richard BEAUCHAMP, "… He m. Anne (---), and d.s.p.leg."
RoyalAnc v4p416 Powick 11 John BEAUCHAMP "… Children of John de Beauchamp, Knt, by Joan de Cherleton: … ii. Walter BEAUCHAMP … married Elizabeth ROCHES … Children of Walter Beauchamp, Knt, by Elizabeth Roches: a. William BEAUCHAMP, Knt … married Elizabeth BRAYBROOKE … Child of William Beauchamp, Knt, by Elizabeth Braybrooke: 1) Richard Beauchamp … He married Ane WROTTESLEY, daughter of Walter Wrottesley, Knt."
CP XI p303 says Anne, widow of Richard Beauchamp, married John Hussey, but gives no parentage for Anne. RoyalAnc v4p416 confirms this part, but calls her Anne d/o Walter Wrottesley. RoyalAnc v4p510 (entry for Margaret St John, wife of Francis Russel, who m2 Bridget Hussey, Bridget Hussey was d/o John Hussey and Anne) Anne wife of John Hussey was d/o George GREY. RoyalAnc v4p416 (entry for William Beauchamp and his children) says Anne, wife of Richard Beauchamp, was d/o Sir Walter WROTTESLEY. These two entries suggest they are different women both named Anne. CP is only source that says widow of Richard Beauchamp married John Hussey (are there others that say this too??).
Side note -- Walter WROTTESLEY (#23477) had a daughter Anne (Burke Peerage p2179 and Madan. _The Gresleys or Drakelow_, 1899, p299) who married Anthony St Amand. Same???
Other GEN-MEDIEVAL postings that mention Beauchamp/Hussey: Bridget Hussey d/o Anne Grey, citing BxP 252 and 294; Anne Grey m. John Hussey (lots), citing Leo's Genealogics (Leo has only a single marriage of Anne). No postings that mention both attached to same wife.
Anne GREY d/o George GREY, Lord Grey, Earl Of Kent & Catherine HERBERT d. 2 Mar 1511 m. 1 Richard BEAUCHAMP, Lord St Amand m2. 4 Jun 1509 Sir John HUSSEY, Lord Hussey
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father: Sir Walter WORTESLEY [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p416]
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(Richard BEAUCHAMO & Anne GREY) date: first marriage of Anne [Ref: CP XI p303]
(John HUSSEY & Anne GREY) date: [Ref: CP XI p303]
CP XI p330 Saint John otherwise Saint John of Basing Barony by Writ V. 1376. 5. Thomas (De POYNINGS), Lord St. John (of Basing), "… [Luke de POYNINGS … [Sir Hugh De POYNINGS, … He d.v.p. before 10 Feb 1427/8 (with corr in XIV p562)."
RoyalAnc v4p325 Paulet 12 Hugh POYNINGS (or SAINT JOHN), Knt "… Sir Hugh POYNINGS died 26 Dec 1426."
Death date 26 Dec 1426 was CP XI p330 prior to corrections in XIV. That was corrected to say before 10 Feb 1427/8.
Sir Hugh POYNINGS s/o Thomas POYNINGS, Lord St John, Lord Poynings & Joan Le STRANGE [CP:X-668, CP:XI-329] b. Abt 1380 d. Before 10 Feb 1427/8 m. Before 10 Oct 1394 Elizabeth FERRERS m2. Abt 1408 Eleanor WELLES
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date: 26 Dec 1426 (matching CP XI p330 prior to corr in XIV p562, and CP X p668) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p325]
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date: before 10 Feb 1427/8 [Ref: CP XI p330 (with corr in XIV p562)]
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date: 26 Dec 1426 [Ref: CP X p668]
CP XI p334 Saint John of Bletsoe Barony I. 1559. 1. Oliver St. JOHN, "… He m., 1stly, before 8 Feb. 1542/3, Agnes (then aged 22), da. and h. of Sir John FISHER, s. and h. ap. (d.v.p) of Sir Michael FISHER (d.1549), of Clifton, &c, Beds, by Margaret, da. and coh. of Sir Henry FROWICKE."
RoyalAnc v1p387 Bletsoe 19 Oliver SAINT JOHN "… He married before 8 Feb 1542/3 Agnes FISHER, daughter and heiress of John Fisher, Knt, of Clifton, Bedfordshire, by Anne, daughter of John Mordaunt, Lord Mordaunt."
Agnes's parents are given in CP XI p334 "He m. 1stly, before 8 Feb 1542/3 (g) Agnes (then aged 22), da and h of Sir John FISHER, s. and h. ap. (d.v.p.) of Sir Michael FISHER (d.1549), of Clifton, &c, Beds, by Margaret, da. and coh. Of Sir Henry FROWICKE.(h)" This information was quoted by Douglas RIchardson in his GEN-MEDIEVAL posting of 1/7/2012
Agnes FISHER d/o Sir John FISHER & Margaret FROWICKE b. Abt 1527 d. After 1565 m. Before 8 Feb 1542/3 Oliver St JOHN, Lord St John of Bletso
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parents: John FISHER & Anne MORDAUNT [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p387]
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parents: [Ref: CP XI p334]
CP XI p482 Saye and Sele Barony I. 1447. 1. James FIENNES, "… He m. Emiline, da. of (--) CROMER, or CROWMER, of Willingham, by (---), da. and coh. Of (---) TRILLOW. … II. 1450. 2. William (FIENNES), Lord Saye and Sele, only s. and h., b. about 1428;"
RoyalAnc v2p348 Cromer 14 James FIENNES (or FIENYS), Knt "… He married (1st) Joan ___. They had one son, William, Knt [2nd Lord Saye and Sele] and one daughter, Elizabeth."
CP XI p482 shows only a single marriage of James, and William was son by that wife. Will Johnson (in his RPA errata website) also find no evidence of another wife (also citing Brice Clagett's Gen-Medieval posting of 7/9/2004. Brice Clagett also questions the surname of wife Emmeline GEN-MEDIEVAL 3/19/2001.
William FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele s/o Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele & Emiline CROMER [CP:XI-482] b. Abt 1428 d. 14 Apr 1471 Barnet u. Church of St Thomass Hospital, Southwark m. 1 Margaret WYKEHAM
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parents: James FIENNES & unk first wife [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
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parents: [Ref: CP XI p482]
Elizabeth FIENNES d/o Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele & Emiline CROMER m. 1 William CROMER m2. After 1450 Alexander IDEN m3. After 1457 Sir Laurence RAYNSFORD
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parents: James FIENNES & unk first wife [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
CP XI p541 Scrope (of Bolton) Barony by Writ I. 1371. 1. Richard Le SCROPE, "… He m., before 21 Feb. 1351/2, Blanche, sister of Michael, Earl of Suffolk, 1st da. of Sir William De La POLE (d. 1366), Baron of the Exchequer, by his wife Catherine ?De NORWICH (with corr in XIV p573)"
RoyalAnc v2p257 Clifton 11 Constantine de CLIFTON "… married Katherine De La POLE, daughter of William de la POLE, Knt, of Kingston upon Hull, Yorkshire, Baron of the Exchequer, by Katherine daughter of Walter de NORWICH, Knt."
CP XI p541 originally said Katherine was daughter of Walter de NORWICH, but that information was deleted by volume XIV p573. Neil Thompson, _Ancestry of Charles II_ The Genealogist v26p224 says her surname is unknown.
Catherine d/o d. 28 Jan 1381/2 m. Sir William De La POLE, Baron Of The Exchequer
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father: Walter de NORWICH Chief Baron of the Exchequer [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p257]
CP XI Appendix D Henry I's Illegitimate Children p119 and p120 "(11) ROHESE, who m., not later than 1146, Henry De La POMERAI, a great Devonshire baron, s. and h. of Joscelin De La POMERAI. …"
RoyalAnc v4p163 Mortain 4 Robert III de VITRE "… Children of Robert III de Vitre by Emma de DINAN: … ii. Maud de VITRE, married …Henry de POMEROY, of Berry Pomeroy, Devon, seigneur of La Pomerai in Normandy, son and heir of Henry de Pomeroy, of Berry Pomeroy, Devon, seigneur of La Pomerai in Normandy, by Rohese, daughter of Herert fitz Herbert."
Rohese, wife of Henry de POMEROY, was an illegitimate daughter of Henry I. See CP XI Appendix I p120, Keats-Rohan DomesdayDescendants p250, among many other sources.
Rohese d/o Henry I Beauclerc King Of England & Sibyl CORBET [ES:III-354, AR:195-26] d. Abt 1176 m. Before 1146 Henry De La POMERAI, Baron Of Berry Pomeroy
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father: Herbert fitz Herbert [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p163]
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parents: [Ref: CP XI AppD p120]
father: [Ref: CP XI AppD p119]
CP XII/1 p182 Stafford Earldom VI. Barony VII. 1403. 6 and 7. Humphrey (STAFFORD), Earl of Stafford, etc, "… [Humphrey STAFFORD, styled Earl of Stafford, 1st s. and h. ap., d.v.p., being wounded 22 May 1455 at the 1st Battle of St. Albans. He d. abt 1458. (with corr in XIV p589)"
also CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121), CP XII/2 p734(h), CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589)
RoyalAnc v5p18 Stafford 10 Humphrey STAFFORD, Knt "… Sir Humphrey Stafford is said to have been slain on the Lancastrian side 22 May 1455 at the 1st Battle of St. Albans."
CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121 says he was living 17 Dec 1457, and presumably also on 19 Jan 1457/8 and died abt 1459. CP XII/2 p734(h) also says he was living 17 Dec 1457 and presumably 19 Jan 1457/8. CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589) says he was wounded at the Battle of St Albans and died abt 1458.
Hunphrey STAFFORD, Earl Of Stafford s/o Humphrey STAFFORD, K.G., Duke of Buckingham & Anne NEVILLE [CP:XII/1-182] b. 1 d. Abt 1458 St Albans m. 1 Margaret BEAUFORT
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date: 22 May 1455 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p18]
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date: abt 1458 [Ref: CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589)]
date: living 17 Dec 1457 and (presumably) 19 Jan 1457/8 [Ref: CP XII/2 p734(h)]
date: living 17 Dec 1457 and (presumably) 19 Jan 1457/8 and d.v.p abt 1459 [Ref: CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121)]
CP XII/1 p381Strathearn Earldom III. 1170. 3. Gilbert, Earl of Strathearn, "… He m., 1stly, Maud, da. of William D'AUBIGNY,"
also CP V p383 (with corr in XIV p323), CP XII/1 p381
RoyalAnc v2p392 Daubeney 5 Maud de SENLIS "… married (1st) William D'AUBENEY … Children of Maud de Senlis, by William d'Aubeney: … ii. Maud D'AUBENEY, married (as his 1st wife) Gilbert, 3rd Earl of Strathearn … They had seven sons, Gilchrist, William, Fertoth, Robert [Earl of Strathearn], Fergus, Knt, Malise (parson of Gask), and Gilbert, Knt, and three daughters, Maud …, Cecily …, and probably Ethna (or Helen) … Child of Maud d'Aubeney, by Gilbert, Earl of Strathearn: a. Robert, 4th Earl of Strathearn, … (through end of references)"
Maud, who married Gilbert Earl of Strathearn, was daughter of Roger de TOENI and Constance de BEAUMONT, as given in CP V p373 (with correction in XIV p323); (Prior to the correction, CP V p373 said Maud was daughter of William D'Aubigny). CP XII/1 p381 says Gilbert m(1) Maud d/o William d'Aubigny. This is another inconsistency in CP. The correction to CP V p373 should also have been made to CP XII/1 p381.
Margaret De TOSNY d/o Roger IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead & Constance De BEAUMONT d. After 1210 m. 1 Gilbert Earl Of Strathern m2. Malcolm Earl of Fife
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parents: William D'Albini & Maud FitzRobert [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP V p373 (with corr in XIV p323)]
Gilchrist Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY [CP:XII/1-381] b. 1 d. 5 Oct 1198 u. Inchaffray Abbey
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/1 p381]
William Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY [CP:XII/1-381] b. 2 d. Abt 1210
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/1 p381]
Ferteth Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY b. 3 d. Abt 1210
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/1 p381(l)]
Robert Earl Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY [CP:XII/1-381] b. 4 d. Before Aug 1244 m. (Unk dau) De MORAVIA
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/1 p381]
Sir Fergus Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY b. 5 d. Abt 1247
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p243]
Sir Malise Of Strathern s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY b. 6 d. After 1272 m.
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p243]
Sir Gilbert De GLENCAIRNIE s/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY b. 7 d. After 12 Sep 1232 m.
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p243]
Maud Of Strathern d/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY m. Malcolm MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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parents: [Ref: CP V p373]
Cecilia Of Streathearn d/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY m. Sir Walter Of Ruthven
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP IV p255]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p244]
Ethna Of Strathern d/o Gilbert Earl Of Strathern & Margaret De TOSNY m. 1 David De HAYA
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parents: Gilbert Earl of Strathearn & Maud d'Albini [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p392]
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father: [Ref: SP III p557]
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father: [Ref: SP VIII p244]
CP XII/2 p162(i) Ughtred Barony by Writ IV. 1411. 4. Sir Robert UGHTRED, "s. and h.(i)," Note (i): "According to the Ughtred Ped. (p. 401) he had two brothers, Thomas and James, and a sister Margaret, who m. Richard ASKE, of Aughton, Yorks."
RoyalAnc v1p167 Aske 14 Elizabeth BIGOD "… married John ASKE, Knt, of Aughton, Yorkshire, son and heir of Richard Aske, Esq, of Aughton, Yorkshire, by Margaret, daughter of Robert Ughtred, Knt, of Kexby, Yorkshire."
Margaret is named in CP XII/2 p162 note (i), as sister of Robert 4th Lord Ughtred (not daughter of 4th Lord), so daughter of Thomas Ughtred and Margaret Godard.
Margaret UGHTRED d/o Thomas De UGHTRED, Lord Ughtred & Margaret GODARD d. Abt 20 Nov 1466 m. Richard ASKE
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father: Sir Robert UGHTRED of Kexby, Yorkshire [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p167]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/2 p162(i)]
CP XII/2 p350(a) Warde Barony I. 1299 to 1306. 1. Robert De La WARDE(a) Note (a): "Nichols, in a ped. Of Meignell of Burton Overy, says he was the s. of Sir John De La WARD, by Lucia,"
RoyalAnc v2p654 Fitz Walter 8 Robert FITZ WALTER, Knt "… Child of Robert Fitz Walter, Knt, by Eleanor de Ferrers: … ii. Ida FITZ WALTER, married (1st) in 1305 Robert de la WARDE, Knt, Lord Warde, … son of William de la Warde, Knt."
Parents of Robert de la WARDE are given in CP XII/2 p350(a) as Sir John de la WARDE and Lucia.
Robert De La WARDE, Lord Warde s/o Sir John De La WARDE & Lucia [CP:XII/2-350] d. Abt 25 Jan 1306/7 m. Before 1275 (Unk) m2. Before 1298 (Unk) m3. Before 2 Oct 1305 Ida FITZ WALTER
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father: Sir William de la WARDE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p654]
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parents: [Ref: CP XII/2 p350(a)]
CP XII/2 p384 Warwick Earldom XV. 1446 to 1449. 15. Anne, presumably suo jure Countess of Warwick and de jure Baroness Burghersh, "… She d. 3 Jan. 1448/9"
also CP I p28, CP II p428 (with corr in XIV p125), CP XII/2 p384, CP IV p282 (which is incorrect)
RoyalAnc v1p302 Beauchamp 13 Richard BEAUCHAMP, K.G., K.B., 13th Earl of Warwick "… Children of Richard Beauchamp K.G. by Isabel le Despenser: Henry (or Harry) Beauchamp, Knt, 14th Earl of Warwick … Child of Henry Beauchamp, Knt, by Cecily Neville: Anne BEAUCHAMP … died without issue 3 June 1449."
Her death date is given as "3 Jan 1448/9" in CP I p28 and CP II p428 (with correction in CP XIV p125), and CP XII/2 p384. Her death date is (incorrectly) given as "3 Jun 1449" in CP IV p282, with "For fuller particulars see Warwick, Earldom of" which has the 3 Jan 1448/9 date.
Anne BEAUCHAMP, Countess Of Warwick d/o Henry BEAUCHAMP, Duke Of Warwick & Cecily NEVILLE [CP:II-428, CP:IV-282, CP:XII/2-384] b. Abt 13 Feb 1443/4 Cardiff d. 3 Jan 1448/9 Ewelme, Oxon u. Reading Abbey
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date: 3 Jun 1449 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p302]
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date: [Ref: CP I p28]
date: [Ref: CP II p428 (with corr in XIV p125)]
date: [Ref: CP XII/2 p384]
date: 3 Jun 1449 [Ref: CP IV p282]
CP XII/2 p433 Wateville Barony by Writ. I. 1326 to 1330. 1. Robert De WATEVILLE, "… He m., before 1 June 1326, Margaret, widow of William (MARTIN) 2nd Lord Martin (who d. shortly before 4 Apr. 1326), da. of John (De HASTINGES), 1st Lord Hastings, by his 2nd wife, Isabel, da. of Hugh (Le DESPENSER), Earl of WInchester."
also CP VIII p538, CP XII/2 p433
RoyalAnc v3p258 Hastingss 10 John de HASTGINS, Kng "… Children of John de Hastings, Knt, by Isabel de Valence: … v. Margaret de HASTINGS, …"
RoyalAnc v4p60 Martin 10 William MARTIN (or MARTYN), Knt "… Children of William Martin, Knt, by Eleanor Fitz Reynold: … ii. William MARTIN, 2nd Lord Martin, … married Margaret de HASTINGS, daughter of John de HASTINGS, Knt, 1st Lord Hastings, by his 1st wife, Isabel, daughter of William de Valence, Knt."
Margaret Hastings was dau of John Hastings by his 2nd wife Isabel Despenser, according to CP VIII p538, and CP XII/2 p433. Richardson posted a large Hastings family tree to GEN-MEDIEVAL on 12/14/2008 ("Revised Hastings Pedigree"), without any sources cited for the CP-discrepancies. There was a long discussion, which generally ignored the pedigree.
Margaret HASTINGS d/o Sir John De HASTINGS, Lord Hastings & Isabel DESPENSER d. 7 Jul 1359 m. 1 William MARTIN, Lord Martin m2. 19 May 1326 Marlborough, Wiltshire Robert De WATEVILLE, Lord Wateville
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mother: Isabel De VALENCE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p258]
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mother: Isabel de VALENCE [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p60]
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parents: [Ref: CP VIII p538]
parents: [Ref: CP XII/2 p433]
CP XII/2 p734(h) Wiltshire Earldom IX. 1470. 1. John STAFFORD, "3rd s(h). Of Humphrey (STAFFORD), 1st Duke of Buckingham," Note (h): "Of his elder brothers (1) Humphrey, styled Earl of Stafford, was living, 17 Dec. 1457 and (presumably) 19 Jan. 1457/8)."
also CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121), CP XII/2 p734(h), CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589)
RoyalAnc v5p18 Stafford 10 Humphrey STAFFORD, Knt "… Sir Humphrey Stafford is said to have been slain on the Lancastrian side 22 May 1455 at the 1st Battle of St. Albans."
CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121 says he was living 17 Dec 1457, and presumably also on 19 Jan 1457/8 and died abt 1459. CP XII/2 p734(h) (with corr in XIV p121) also says he was living 17 Dec 1457 and presumably 19 Jan 1457/8. CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589) says he died abt 1458.
Hunphrey STAFFORD, Earl Of Stafford s/o Humphrey STAFFORD, K.G., Duke of Buckingham & Anne NEVILLE [CP:XII/1-182] b. 1 d. Abt 1458 St Albans m. 1 Margaret BEAUFORT
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date: 22 May 1455 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p18]
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date: abt 1458 [Ref: CP XII/1 p182 (with corr in XIV p589)]
date: living 17 Dec 1457 and (presumably) 19 Jan 1457/8 [Ref: CP XII/2 p734(h)]
date: living 17 Dec 1457 and (presumably) 19 Jan 1457/8 and d.v.p abt 1459 [Ref: CP II p389 (with corr in XIV p121)]
CP XII/2 p746 Winchester Saher de QUENCY II, "… He m., in 1162, Asceline, … da. of Robert PEVEREL, of the same, by his wife Adelicia."
RoyalAnc v2p644 Fitz Walter 4 Maud de SENLIS "… married (2nd) between 1137 and 1140 (as his 1st wife) Saher De QUINCY (or QUENCY), … Saher married (2nd) after 1165 Asceline PEVEREL, …"
Two successive generations are being collapsed together in this entry. Saher I married Maud de SENLIS, and died 1156-58 (see CP XII/2 p746); Saher II (their son and heir) married Asceline PEVEREL in 1162 (again CP XII/2 p746). See also Chris Phillips proposed updates to Complete Peerage, Winchester
Saher II De QUENCY & Asceline PEVEREL m. 1163
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names: Saher & Asceline PEVEREL [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p644]
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date: [Ref: CP++(proposed) Winchester 12/31/2006 (CP XII/2 p746)]
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child: [Ref: CP XII/2 p747]
date: 1162 [Ref: CP XII/2 p746]
CP XII/2 p945(h) Zouche Barony by Writ V. 1415. 5. William (La ZOUCHE), Lord Zouche, "… He m., 2ndly, before 2 Apr. 1450, Elizabeth, da. of Sir Oliver ST JOHN, of Bletsoe, Beds, … His widow m., before 10 Dec. 1471, as his 2nd wife, John (LE SCROPE), 5th Lord Scrope (of Bolton)(h), " Note (h): "Their da. Mary had a disp. to m. William CONYERS, of Hornby, 24 Sep. 1479."
CP III p404 says Mary was daughter of John SCROPE by his 1st wife, Joan FITZHUGH, while CP XII/2 p945(h) says she was daughter by 2nd wife, Elizabeth ST JOHN.
RoyalAnc v2p96 Cantelowe 11 William la ZOUCHE, K.G., 4th Lord Zouche of Harrington "… Children of William la Zouche, K.G., by Elizabeth ___: … i. William ZOUCHE, Knt, … married Elizabeth SAINT JOHN … She married (2nd) John SCROPE K.G. … They had one daughter, Mary (wife of William Conyers, Knt, 1st Lord Conyers)."
RoyalAnc v2p289 Conyers 18 William CONYERS, Knt "… He married (1st) by license dated 24 Sept 1479 Mary SCROPE, widow of his brother, John Conyers (living 1472), and daughter of John Scrope, K.G., 5th Lord Scrope of Bolton, by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Oliver Saint John, Knt"
RoyalAnc v4p531 Saint John 15 Margaret BEAUCHAMP "… Children of Margaret Beauchamp, by Oliver Saint John, Knt: … v. Elizabeth SAINT JOHN … married (2nd) before 10 Dec 1471 (as his 2nd wife) John SCROPE, K.G., 5th Lord Scrope of Bolton, … They had one daughter, Mary."
Mary SCROPE daughter of John SCROPE by either first wife (Joan FITZ HUGH) or second (Elizabeth St JOHN). CP III p404 says first wife (as does Faris PA2 p97), CP XII/2 p945(h) says second wife (as does Faris PA2 p326). This inconsistency in CP (and also in Faris) should be resolved. No discussion on GEN-MEDIEVAL found.
Mary SCROPE d/o John SCROPE, K.G., Lord Scrope & Joan FITZ HUGH m. 1 John CONYERS m2. Abt 24 Sep 1479 William CONYERS, Lord Conyers
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parents: John SCROPE & Elizabeth St JOHN [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p96]
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parents: John SCROPE & Elizabeth ST. JOHN [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p289]
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parents: [Ref: CP III p404]
parents: John SCROPE (#150508) & Elizabeth St JOHN (#71363) [Ref: CP XII/2 p945(h)]